Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

The tory party reminds me of:

"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king".

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Dumbo,

Why don't you stand for leader and PM?

You would go down a bomb.


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Where is Nigel when he is wanted?



Gloating at his success.

Instrumental ? Haystack what are you talking about ,without Farage there would NEVER have been a referendum at least give him that even if you don't like him.

There has been anti EU pressure in the Conservative party even while Thatcher was in power. It increased during Major's period and even more under Cameron. Farage was the catalyst to bring it to a referendum.

Yes he's got a lot to gloat at...

And more silliness from the Tory old boys club member haystack..

Far from alienating the public, it was Nigel Farage that solidified the
LEAVE vote...YOU don't or won't except that fact haystack, but its the
truth...

I agree but no Tory gov would have called a referendum ,it was Farage who got it for us.

It was won despite Farage. A lot of people voted for remain because they couldn't vote with Farage as he is racist.

Rubbish , he just saved Great Britain .

That's the view from Con central office.

Gove should walk it, who cares what con central office wants?

The object is to leave, and no luke warm eurista will provide that.

Gove could still get stitched up. He may not make it to the final two. The majority of Conservative MPs are remain supporters. They could choose to vote in higher numbers for two remain candidates.

It is the Conservatives that will choose the final two to put to party members in the constituencies. Luckily, the Conservative party has sensible rules. You can only vote in a leadership contest if you have been a party member for 3 months.

Boris didn't get enough votes from the Remain Conservative MPs to get elected. The same could happen to Gove.

"Having consulted colleagues and in view of the circumstances in parliament I have concluded that person cannot be me."

You don't think an ex coal miner or an ex docker or a Labourer on a building
site, or an old Labour voter, voted for BoJo or Gove do YOU?!!!

If you do, you're deluded.......

Off to the Henley regatta. See some great river rowing.

Of course they voted for them, but it was Boris that swung it. Gove may not get to the final two so it may be academic. The Conservative MP remainers may make sure a remainer gets the job.

If May does win the PM vote, then the EU debate will still continue to
split the Tory's...

The Eurosceptics won't be pleased....

Haystacks you might know the ins and outs of the tory party membership rules
but that's about all...You know frick all about the ordinary man/woman in the
street...

Consumer confidence has plummeted in the wake of the vote to leave the EU and a recession "cannot be ruled out at this point", a report has warned.
The YouGov/CEBR (Centre for Economic and Business Research) Consumer Confidence Index slumped by seven points in the four days after the Brexit vote to match a level not seen since May 2013.
The figure had already fallen notably between May and June, mainly because of homeowners' concerns about property prices over the next 12 months and the levels of business activity at people's workplaces over the coming year, the report said.
CEBR director Scott Corfe said: "Brexit could lead to a marked slowdown in the economy over the coming months.
"The latest YouGov/CEBR consumer confidence data show households are highly spooked by recent developments, which we expect to filter through into a much weaker environment for retail sales and household spending - particularly on big-ticket items.
"A recession certainly cannot be ruled out at this point."
Stephen Harmston, head of YouGov Reports, said: "Consumer confidence has collapsed since the vote to leave the EU. Four days of uncertainty has wiped out the gains made over the last three years.
"It has not yet reached the depths of the financial crisis in 2008 but we expect it to decline further as some of the consequences of Brexit kick in.
"The only question now is will it slump to the levels it reached eight years ago or will it pull itself out of this dive?"
Meanwhile, the latest pre-Brexit figures from the GfK Consumer Confidence Index show confidence is languishing in negative territory with "plenty of volatility" expected ahead - at least until Brexit negotiations are under way.
The index shows "deepening pessimism" over the general economic situation, with the measure already 18 points lower than this time last year ahead of last week's vote.

It makes little difference what the man on the Clapham Omnibus thinks. The Conservative MPs will mainly determine the new leader. May has the advantage of being supported by Leave and Remain Conservative MPs. Before Boris dropped out, May was way ahead among the MPs.

For a remainer to represent blighty in the divorce proceedings is beyond parody.


Electing May would be a big mistake, she wouldnt even state her position in the run up.

End of the tory party, just like Labour.

This from Yougov. It isn't a poll in the ordinary sense. It asking all the Conservative MPs who will do the actual voting.

Part of the turnaround appears to be the perception that Theresa May is better placed to unite the party – 64% of party members said this was one of the most important considerations (up twenty points since Febrary) and May has a thirty point lead over Johnson on who would be better able to unite the party (46% to 16%). Given the current political and economic situation, she also has a lead over Johnson on ability to handle a crisis (49% to 18%), taking tough decisions (46% to 18%) and negotiating with Europe (32% to 22%).