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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 13:58 - 3978 of 12628

It was won despite Farage. A lot of people voted for remain because they couldn't vote with Farage as he is racist.

jimmy b - 30 Jun 2016 14:00 - 3979 of 12628

Rubbish , he just saved Great Britain .

MaxK - 30 Jun 2016 14:00 - 3980 of 12628

That's the view from Con central office.

MaxK - 30 Jun 2016 14:02 - 3981 of 12628

Gove should walk it, who cares what con central office wants?

The object is to leave, and no luke warm eurista will provide that.

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 14:03 - 3982 of 12628

Gove could still get stitched up. He may not make it to the final two. The majority of Conservative MPs are remain supporters. They could choose to vote in higher numbers for two remain candidates.

It is the Conservatives that will choose the final two to put to party members in the constituencies. Luckily, the Conservative party has sensible rules. You can only vote in a leadership contest if you have been a party member for 3 months.

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 14:06 - 3983 of 12628

Boris didn't get enough votes from the Remain Conservative MPs to get elected. The same could happen to Gove.

"Having consulted colleagues and in view of the circumstances in parliament I have concluded that person cannot be me."

grannyboy - 30 Jun 2016 14:08 - 3984 of 12628

You don't think an ex coal miner or an ex docker or a Labourer on a building
site, or an old Labour voter, voted for BoJo or Gove do YOU?!!!

If you do, you're deluded.......

iturama - 30 Jun 2016 14:10 - 3985 of 12628

Off to the Henley regatta. See some great river rowing.

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 14:24 - 3986 of 12628

Of course they voted for them, but it was Boris that swung it. Gove may not get to the final two so it may be academic. The Conservative MP remainers may make sure a remainer gets the job.

grannyboy - 30 Jun 2016 14:25 - 3987 of 12628

If May does win the PM vote, then the EU debate will still continue to
split the Tory's...

The Eurosceptics won't be pleased....

grannyboy - 30 Jun 2016 14:28 - 3988 of 12628

Haystacks you might know the ins and outs of the tory party membership rules
but that's about all...You know frick all about the ordinary man/woman in the
street...

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 14:33 - 3989 of 12628

Consumer confidence has plummeted in the wake of the vote to leave the EU and a recession "cannot be ruled out at this point", a report has warned.
The YouGov/CEBR (Centre for Economic and Business Research) Consumer Confidence Index slumped by seven points in the four days after the Brexit vote to match a level not seen since May 2013.
The figure had already fallen notably between May and June, mainly because of homeowners' concerns about property prices over the next 12 months and the levels of business activity at people's workplaces over the coming year, the report said.
CEBR director Scott Corfe said: "Brexit could lead to a marked slowdown in the economy over the coming months.
"The latest YouGov/CEBR consumer confidence data show households are highly spooked by recent developments, which we expect to filter through into a much weaker environment for retail sales and household spending - particularly on big-ticket items.
"A recession certainly cannot be ruled out at this point."
Stephen Harmston, head of YouGov Reports, said: "Consumer confidence has collapsed since the vote to leave the EU. Four days of uncertainty has wiped out the gains made over the last three years.
"It has not yet reached the depths of the financial crisis in 2008 but we expect it to decline further as some of the consequences of Brexit kick in.
"The only question now is will it slump to the levels it reached eight years ago or will it pull itself out of this dive?"
Meanwhile, the latest pre-Brexit figures from the GfK Consumer Confidence Index show confidence is languishing in negative territory with "plenty of volatility" expected ahead - at least until Brexit negotiations are under way.
The index shows "deepening pessimism" over the general economic situation, with the measure already 18 points lower than this time last year ahead of last week's vote.

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 14:42 - 3990 of 12628

It makes little difference what the man on the Clapham Omnibus thinks. The Conservative MPs will mainly determine the new leader. May has the advantage of being supported by Leave and Remain Conservative MPs. Before Boris dropped out, May was way ahead among the MPs.

MaxK - 30 Jun 2016 14:44 - 3991 of 12628

For a remainer to represent blighty in the divorce proceedings is beyond parody.


Electing May would be a big mistake, she wouldnt even state her position in the run up.

End of the tory party, just like Labour.

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 14:45 - 3992 of 12628

This from Yougov. It isn't a poll in the ordinary sense. It asking all the Conservative MPs who will do the actual voting.

Part of the turnaround appears to be the perception that Theresa May is better placed to unite the party – 64% of party members said this was one of the most important considerations (up twenty points since Febrary) and May has a thirty point lead over Johnson on who would be better able to unite the party (46% to 16%). Given the current political and economic situation, she also has a lead over Johnson on ability to handle a crisis (49% to 18%), taking tough decisions (46% to 18%) and negotiating with Europe (32% to 22%).

cynic - 30 Jun 2016 14:50 - 3993 of 12628

gove would never have my vote ..... i think he's unelectable
my choice would be theresa as she's tough, from the remain camp and therefore more likely or even capable of putting humpty-dumpty back together again

VICTIM - 30 Jun 2016 14:55 - 3994 of 12628

To think we have another fecking 9 weeks of this .

Haystack - 30 Jun 2016 15:03 - 3995 of 12628

May has said she would not call an election until 2020.

VICTIM - 30 Jun 2016 15:05 - 3996 of 12628

Why is Eagle putting herself against Corblimey . is it just to remove him and then properly select a serious candidate . I await any answers no jokes please like , the Eagle has landed , or Eagle ruffles Corbyn's feathers .

MaxK - 30 Jun 2016 15:11 - 3997 of 12628

It's a good idea for May to keep the ball rolling till 2020, because she has no chance of winning a popular vote.

They might as well have kept Dave.
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