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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Haystack - 01 Jul 2016 13:00 - 4072 of 12628

Turkey will be ignored. Yet another conspiracy theory.

grannyboy - 01 Jul 2016 13:03 - 4073 of 12628

I'm afraid that it was a wrong decision, they had plenty of warning, and to
extend the period by two days was an attempt to get as many, the remainer's
thought would be remain voters, ie young voters to register, the fact all sides
agreed to it wasn't to admit it was the right decision, but to cause a stink would
have given the remain side the opportunity to accuse the leave side of being
undemocratic...

Thankfully justice was done....

grannyboy - 01 Jul 2016 13:05 - 4074 of 12628

As being proved before, Haystack you appear to have a mental block and
a selective opinion when Turkey is mentioned.

grannyboy - 01 Jul 2016 13:07 - 4075 of 12628

And they, the remainer's are still crying foul anyway..And still hold out
hopes that a new referendum will be granted..

jimmy b - 01 Jul 2016 14:55 - 4076 of 12628

I still think as soon as any other country starts making noises about a referendum the EU will sit down and talk about the free movement rather than break up the EU ,we have done Europe a huge favour .

hlyeo98 - 01 Jul 2016 15:16 - 4077 of 12628

Chancellor George Osborne has abandoned his target to restore government finances to a surplus by 2020.
It had been the chancellor's most prized goal and had been driving austerity measures in previous budgets.
However, Mr Osborne said the UK must be "realistic about achieving a surplus by the end of the decade".
The UK economy is showing "clear signs" of shock in the aftermath of the vote to leave the European Union, he said.
In a speech on Friday, Mr Osborne said: "As the governor [of the Bank of England] has said: the referendum is expected to produce a significant negative economic shock to our economy. How we respond will determine the impact on jobs and growth.

MaxK - 01 Jul 2016 15:22 - 4078 of 12628

Are you lot net getting the big picture yet?

Haystack is laying it out the way it is...if they (pcp) elect a remainer, the tory party will go against the will of the people, they will one way or another ignore the vote or keep fobbing it off, hoping that people will forget.

They will not do article 50

MaxK - 01 Jul 2016 15:32 - 4079 of 12628

tits

hlyeo98 - 01 Jul 2016 15:35 - 4080 of 12628

European Union leaders spelled out stark conditions for a new relationship with a departing Britain on Wednesday, warning that if British business wants to keep access to Europe’s single market, the country must accept European workers, too.

The leaders produced no clear rehaul for their shaken union after an unusual and emotionally charged summit, but agreed they must make it more relevant to citizens and keep it from disintegrating after Britain’s unprecedented vote to leave. The 27 remaining presidents, chancellors and prime ministers said they’re “absolutely determined to remain united,” EU Council President Donald Tusk said.

They met without British Prime Minister David Cameron, who left Brussels on Tuesday night without any clear divorce plan, fending off pressure for a quick exit and punting the complex departure negotiations to his successor. In Britain, nominations opened Wednesday for a new Conservative leader to replace him after his devastating political miscalculation in calling last week’s referendum.

Other EU leaders warned the U.K. that if it wants to continue to enjoy the seamless single market after its departure, it would also have to accept that EU citizens can continue to enter Britain. That’s the crux of the current tensions: Britain’s “leave” vote hinged on concerns about migration from poorer EU countries.

grannyboy - 01 Jul 2016 15:46 - 4081 of 12628

Well obviously they're not going to roll over before the negotiations
start, but there WILL be a deal where the UK will take back control of
its borders and obtain a free trade agreement that does NOT entail
having to continue with free movement..

That of course relies on who is leading the country and who does the
negotiating!!..

Anyone in the mould of cameron/osborne will betray the UK...

VICTIM - 01 Jul 2016 15:52 - 4082 of 12628

Yes Osbourne still blaming leavers would you believe .

MaxK - 01 Jul 2016 15:54 - 4083 of 12628

It's surprising ozzy hasn't thrown his hat in the ring.

cynic - 01 Jul 2016 17:15 - 4084 of 12628

GB - pretty much agree with you ....... with few exceptions, i don't think any exiters object to the free movement of those with skills - i certainly do not ...... the prime objection is to the freeloaders who think they'll chance their arms just because, as this romanian lady said on the box a couple of weeks back, conditions and benefits in uk are so much better

a way round the current (public) impasse is surely to introduce properly enforceable restrictions on benefits and also the free movement of whole (extended) families just because they have eu passports

also, and in some ways it's relatively small beer though very irksome, nhs hospitals should charge at the door for "foreigners" just as they do in the private sector everywhere

Haystack - 01 Jul 2016 17:36 - 4085 of 12628

Whoever takes over as PM will invoke article 50.

May storming ahead with more than 50% of committed MPs.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2016 17:40 - 4086 of 12628

May has just increased her lead. She now has 83 MPs.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2016 17:43 - 4087 of 12628

Farage said today that Carswell could be expelled on Monday.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2016 18:33 - 4088 of 12628

Haystack - 01 Jul 2016 19:07 - 4089 of 12628

Rumours are doing the rounds that several as yet undeclared Theresa May supporters are considering endorsing Andrea Leadsom in order to keep Michael Gove off the ballot. With less than half of the parliamentary party openly declared, May currently has 87 MPs publicly backing her and many more supporters yet to declare – she is absolutely nailed on to make the final two.

Her allies are allegedly now pushing her right-wing Leave backers over to Leadsom, with the aim that Andrea gets the numbers to beat Gove to the ballot. This would make sense as a calculated piece of election skullduggery – May’s friends know the membership is unlikely to choose Andrea over Theresa, Gove is the high-profile Brexit candidate they want to keep off the ballot.

Chris Carson - 01 Jul 2016 22:51 - 4090 of 12628

That twat Gove is an accident waiting to happen. Does he not realise to come out and say "There will not be a Scottish Referendum" is like a red rag to a bull. Theresa May landslide imo.

Haystack - 01 Jul 2016 23:07 - 4091 of 12628

Gove thought he had the Daily Mail in his pocket. It is where hi wife works as a journalist. When he stabbed Boris they switched their support to May.
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