Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

i'ld far rather see crated-veal production banned ....

that most assuredly has to be a truly inhumane way of raising young calves, and is probably why, at least in uk, we are seeing more and more "rose veal" for sale as opposed to the white version imported from holland

In my view it's all about the Islamification if there's such a word, things get accepted then become the norm ,in a few years before you know it we're half Islamic. This is Britain and we are Christian. I feel we are being brainwashed slowly.

victim - total rubbish! .....

because it's useful in promoting further islam-demonisation, the press chooses to focus on halal slaughter, which is truthfully done for "good" religious reasons - i won't bore you as to why the procedure - but jewish kosher butchering, which is effectively the same, has been pushed to the far rear

in fact, when done in a properly controlled environment, it is questionable that it is any more stressful for the cattle and poultry than in many or perhaps most of "normal" abattoirs

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by the way, from where did you glean the illusion that britain is a christian nation?
how often do you and your neighbours go to church?

I prefer to think we are a secular country. Certainly Christianity has done more harm over the years than Islam.

depends how you define christianity of course, but equally don't forget the very bloody and brutal wars and crusades in the middle-ages between christians and islam

christians of course don't have too hot a reputation for tolerance of other religions and beliefs, despite that the Good Book tells them .... the inquisition comes to mind

Labour Wants To Link Minimum Wage To Earnings
sounds good and of course the unions will love it
BUT
the consequences for a multitude of small businesses and certainly the catering industry and all sorts of others, and thus the economy, will be badly hit

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i'm afraid it's something of just a populist politician's soundbite, without the consequences being properly thought through ..... but then when you're in opposition, you don't need to

a good scrubber
or doesn't she scrub up well :-)

Very nice... :-)

cynic

Veal grates have been banned in the UK for years now , same in the EU i think

and 32% said they did not care about slaughter methods at all, Thought we were a country of animal lovers, maybe a lot of the 32% were non British.

Thought for today

Do Fred and Stan wear cloth caps and go wippit racing together

i've checked and you're right; banned in whole eu since 2007 but still allowed in usa

meanwhile, you can create the same result as below ...
Formula-fed ("white" or "milk-fed") veal, from calves that are raised on a milk formula supplement. The meat colour is ivory or creamy pink, with a firm, fine, and velvety appearance. They are usually slaughtered when they reach 18–20 weeks of age, 450 to 500 pounds (200 to 230 kg).

Many people won't eat veal at all and think there shouldn't be any. They forget the link with their fresh milk which would disappear.

Beloved won't though she'll eat calve's liver!
don't even think of asking for the logic!!!

Pleasure over principle.

don't pursue that line please :-))

Any views on the SAGA plc floatation ?

Have you seen

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/germany-to-play-central-but-expensive-role-in-sanctions-against-russia-a-959019.html

Comments are interesting too.