Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Many people won't eat veal at all and think there shouldn't be any. They forget the link with their fresh milk which would disappear.

Beloved won't though she'll eat calve's liver!
don't even think of asking for the logic!!!

Pleasure over principle.

don't pursue that line please :-))

Any views on the SAGA plc floatation ?

Have you seen

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/germany-to-play-central-but-expensive-role-in-sanctions-against-russia-a-959019.html

Comments are interesting too.

Yes Oakapples, avoid IMHO.

bad link

SAGA: It is widely thought, that the IPO is purely for Acromis to refinance and the big motivation is to help the top guys get themselves some cash. e.g. Andrew Goodsell, CEO will certainly make more than £100m and I have read the IPO could net him as much as £210m

Nothing wrong with SAGA as a company, but if you want to invest, there may well be an opportunity to pick the shares up cheaper after the shares hit the market.

There's plenty of comment about but you do have to search for it.

DYOR

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/germany-to-play-central-but-expensive-role-in-sanctions-against-russia-a-959019.html

At it again. How can anyone trust the figures the DWP put out. he should be sacked. not only sacked but put in Jail.

Iain Duncan Smith used false statistics to justify disability benefit cuts

By Adam Bienkov Friday, 16 May 2014 7:14 AM



The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) repeatedly made false claims about the numbers of people living on disability benefits, the official statistics watchdog has found.

Ministers at the DWP repeatedly claimed that the majority of people on disability living allowance (DLA) were given benefits for life without any supporting medical evidence.

According to press releases sent out by the department: "more than 50% of decisions on entitlement are made on the basis of the claim form alone, without any additional corroborating medical evidence."

However, the UK Statistics Authority (UKSA) found that the real percentage of claims passed without supporting medical evidence was just 10%.


The DWP also claimed that "under the current system of DLA, 71% of claimants get indefinite awards without systematic reassessments."

However the UKSA found that in the last two years of the DLA, just 23% and 24% of claimants were given indefinite awards.

The DWP accept that their claims were "ambiguous" and "had not been rechecked by the Department's analysts as is the usual practice."

The findings, uncovered by Channel Four News and seen in full by Politics.co.uk, followed a complaint by the charity Parkinson's UK.

"The Department of Work and Pensions has a long track record of misusing statistics when it comes to the benefits system, and it’s clear this was a tactic to vindicate further welfare cuts," Parkinson's UK policy advisor Donna O'Brien said.

"People with Parkinson's who claimed DLA have told us supporting medical evidence was crucial due to a woeful knowledge of the condition amongst assessors, and it is absurd that the Government was trying to imply that anyone going through the system had an easy ride."

This is the second time in the past year that Iain Duncan Smith has come under fire for the use of false statistics to justify cuts to benefits.

Last year Duncan Smith claimed that 8000 people who had been affected by the benefits cap had moved back into work.

The UKSA found that this figure was "unsupported by the official statistics."

At the time Iain Duncan Smith dismissed the findings, saying that he "believed" that he was right anyway.

"I believe that this to be right, I believe that we are already seeing people going back to work who were not going to go back to work," he said................ends



Liam A Murray · Top Commenter · Financial Advisor at BGIL
Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics, and the Fuckin' Tories.
Reply · · 41 · May 16 at 1:27am

Jonathan Wilson · Acle High School
Lies, Damned lies, Statistics, and IDS's "beliefs."
Reply · · 18 · May 16 at 4:50am

Joshua Michaelson · Billingham
if a normal person lied in a company he would be fired and or prosecuted why oh why are we not locking up the liers the cheats the expenses thieves etc etc we must make a stand and show that NO ONE is above the law ...if this was the case M,P's would think twice before bringing in any change that could hurt anyone for fear of prosecution as is they can do what they want and laugh about it afterwards .......this is my personal opinion
Reply · · 37 · May 16 at 2:04am

Mark Foley
HAS SCUM AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN STRANGLED AT BIRTH
Reply · · 7 · May 16 at 6:04am

Bill Rollinson · Top Commenter
Have a look at this; https://t.co/8NgDvH1Jy2 the first half is bad enough, but the second half is scandalous, I hope he succeeds in the prosecutions!
Reply · · 7 · May 16 at 6:09am

Paul Berry
Beware the man who "believes he is right" despite all evidence to the contrary.
Reply · · 25 · May 16 at 2:22am

Jeff Suter · Top Commenter · Highbury College
One of my favourite scenes was IDS on the Sunday Politics. Behind him was a huge graphic showing the year on year rise in child poverty. He turned to Andrew Neal and said, "No the figures are showing Child Poverty is going down".
Reply · · 12 · May 16 at 3:39am

Mark Foley
ALL THE GUY WAS , WAS A BAG CARRYING BELLBOY FOR A TOP ARMY GENERAL , THATS ABOUT HAS WORTH THIS FREE RENT LIVING BIT OF SCUM IS , PLEASE SOMBODY SHOOT THIS DOG
Reply · · 8 · May 16 at 6:03am

Bill Rollinson · Top Commenter
All the while he's slashing claimants money and imposing a hostile tax on the weak and disabled, this parasite lives in his in-laws home and claims from the EU-CAP. Over the last ten years, this parasite has claimed over 1.5 million euro's of 'tax-payers' money from the fund?
http://rollo57.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/
Reply · · 22 · May 16 at 1:53am

John Ray · Top Commenter
The company Staffline has taken over Avanta(Both Poverty Pimps) in the press release it stated that this is a growth industry..If the DWP back to work programmes are such a success as stated by IDS and McVile this is a contradiction as these companies should be down sizing rather than gearing up for more DWP contracts...Mark Carney BOE stated that interest rates would rise once unemployment hit 7% it is supposed to be 6.8% yet he has not acted,does he know these figures are false?
As the old saying goes "That Dog don't Hunt!"
Reply · · 6 · May 16 at 4:27am

Bill Rollinson · Top Commenter
John Ray Yes John, I made that same comment a couple of weeks ago, regarding Carney's 7%, him and George both know the figures are fiddled and a better 'guideline' for setting interest rates, would be the 'income tax take', after all it's us the consumer who actually provide the growth. If we have no money, we can't spend, but Osborne may be getting the balance just right. The right amount of workers borrowing the right amount of money. Because if they started building, seriously, it would crash his Ponzi scheme!
Reply · · May 16 at 6:05am

Melanie Cyber-Spice Rhianna · Top Commenter · Cardiff University
How do you know when a politician is lying. Their lips are moving. They're *all* liars regardless of political affiliation.
Reply · · 12 · May 16 at 3:19am

Jeff Suter · Top Commenter · Highbury College
But IDS and Esther McVile have it down to a fine art and are World Champions.
Reply · · 13 · May 16 at 3:35am

Melanie Cyber-Spice Rhianna · Top Commenter · Cardiff University
Jeff Suter Obviously taking lessons from Blair (Wot no weapons of mass destruction)...
Reply · · 6 · May 16 at 3:47am

Jeff Suter · Top Commenter · Highbury College
Oh dear. How long has Tony Blair not been Prime Minister? SEVEN years and Labour have been out of power for 4 years. When are the Tories going to take responsibility for their own actions? It is two dimensional thinking to equate disagreeing with government policy as the same as support for Labour. Very poor thinking. Anyone who thinks that Labour are anything but Tories with red rosettes is a sandwich sort of a picnic. A plague on both their houses.
Reply · · 8 · May 16 at 3:57am
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Jeff Suter · Top Commenter · Highbury College
One of the Ministers to put their heads above the parapet and defend the odious actions of benefits scrounger Maria Miller was Iain Duncan Smith. He said she was the victim of a witch hunt. IDS knows all about witch hunts having instigated so many against the poor and the disabled. All the time charging the tax payer for buying his underpants. Could it be because Miller was in the DWP at the start of his regime of hate and helped formulate policies like the Bedroom Tax, Slavefare and the more draconian WCA. Miller was minister for the disabled and she REFUSED to meet ant disabled people who were concerned about Tory policies.
Reply · · 10 · May 16 at 3:47am

Denise Clendinning · Beckfoot School
This is what you expect from them they have done the job of telling the media got all the workers up in arms the hate that was shown from the public and they all believed their lies and people writing on media forum pages writing abuse towards the disabled . To say i am angry at this remark is putting it mildly iam livid because they have done the job that they set out to do and divide the people what callous bastards would do such a thing to their own disabled people.

i'm afraid sticky really does have a permanent case of severe verbal dysentry

a side-effect is a complete inability to do anything other than c+p without any mental or critical capability to weed out the important from what is just verbiage (80%+!)

I don't care if IDS's figures are correct or not. I like the policy.

This morning’s Populus online poll became the third pollster in a week to show The Conservatives ahead, it is also the first online pollster to show the Blues ahead since March 2012.

and i really can't be bothered to read it as, due to its author, i know where it's headed before i start .... i just wish he wouldn't take up so much unnecessary and unwarranted page space

"i just wish he wouldn't take up so much unnecessary and unwarranted page space"... hark who's talking -):

at least my posts are brief!

Hays IDS is a cheat and a thief.

He needs flinging in prison.

Id's is an (ex) officer and a gentleman.