Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

exit.

so you really think we'll draw up the drawbridge on europe?

i think not, and it would be very stupid indeed to shut (all) doors ....... i take it you're not in biz for yourself or you might and indeed should know that truism

I agree that there is no case for invoking Art. 50 at this time. The first thing is to choose a PM that is really committed to Brexit and will whip the negotiating team into shape. Preliminary discussions with and without Europe need to take place and there has to be a solid plan B, if, as expected, the EU plays hard ball. On reflection, after looking at the respective CVs, Andrea does seem to be the one.

Who said anything about drawbridges?

I thought you was neutral c?


And where is the tory party spokesman today?

Perhaps he can explain why anyone would go for lady Macbeth?

The Brexit team needs to examine a relatively few areas that will hurt the EU, particularly Germany and France, if it plays hard ball. Viable alternatives need to be in place. Cars and agricultural products come to mind but I'm sure there are bulk industrial materials that will hurt certain countries also.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/03/eu-swiss-single-market-access-no-free-movement-citizens

The European Union is to show its determination to make no concessions to the UK on Brexit terms by telling Switzerland it will lose access to the single market if it goes ahead with plans to impose controls on the free movement of EU citizens.

The Swiss-EU talks, underway for two years but now needing a solution possibly within weeks, throws up the exact same issues that will be raised in the UK’s exit talks – the degree to which the UK must accept free movement of the EU’s citizens as a price for access to the single market.

The UK should prepare draft legislation to ban new diesel cars. They are the worst polluters and better alternatives are available such as hybrid cars, electric and just plain petrol. It just so happens that it will seriously hit makers such as BMW and VW at the same time.

Ho yes lets believe and succumb to everything the guardian prints...

Seeing as it's a PRO-EU open door liberal bleeding heart propaganda sheet..

There could be an agreement where the UK would except migrants that have
the skills the country needs, and not just some roma gypsy who comes here
for the benefits to send home so they can build palatial villa's or extensions
to their properties, and also putting a stop on 'skilled' car washers.

Not just the Guardian, plenty of other news media reorting the same.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-swiss-idUSKCN0ZH48K

It is just going to be Brexit-lite.

Its only going to be Brexit-Lite if they go into the negotiations telling
the opposition that its going to be Brexit-Light, very similar to cameron
when he went into the 'reform' negotiations, and came back with zilch!

That's why there MUST be a 'firm' team of LEAVERS to do the negotiations,
otherwise there will be a capitulation even before they start..

I'm all for having WTO trade and tariffs agreements if it means stopping
the free movement of unskilled immigrants..

IT'S A RED LINE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED!!..

I doubt that it will be a red line in the end for the negotiators. It looks pretty certain that a remain candidate will be PM. My hunch is that May will win and she will appoint Andrea Leadsom to be part of the exit team. Farage won't be in it that's for sure.

Blair said this morning that he doesn't think that we will even leave the EU. He thinks the government will go back on it and that Article 50 won't get activated.

Blair? Who is he?

A friend of Mrs May.

Another of the walking dead, along with Major, Kinnock, Heseltine, Bruin et al. They, along with the mandarins, will ignore the will of the people at their peril. Thursday was the British Bastille day.

Plenty of people who voted Leave changing their minds.

If people voted Leave because of what the Leave campaign sad the they have been lied to and conned.

I voted leave for other reasons and mine still hold true.

Do me a favour Haystack.

Apply that to any general election.

4112 - max, if i were neutral, i would not have voted ...... as well telegraphed, i voted "out" but not frothing at the mouth as some seem to be

Monday's Mail

Telegraph

Europe splits deepen over Brexit response as Angela Merkel moves to oust Jean-Claude Juncker

German Chancellor keen for pragmatic response to Brexit.