Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Not just the Guardian, plenty of other news media reorting the same.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-swiss-idUSKCN0ZH48K

It is just going to be Brexit-lite.

Its only going to be Brexit-Lite if they go into the negotiations telling
the opposition that its going to be Brexit-Light, very similar to cameron
when he went into the 'reform' negotiations, and came back with zilch!

That's why there MUST be a 'firm' team of LEAVERS to do the negotiations,
otherwise there will be a capitulation even before they start..

I'm all for having WTO trade and tariffs agreements if it means stopping
the free movement of unskilled immigrants..

IT'S A RED LINE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED!!..

I doubt that it will be a red line in the end for the negotiators. It looks pretty certain that a remain candidate will be PM. My hunch is that May will win and she will appoint Andrea Leadsom to be part of the exit team. Farage won't be in it that's for sure.

Blair said this morning that he doesn't think that we will even leave the EU. He thinks the government will go back on it and that Article 50 won't get activated.

Blair? Who is he?

A friend of Mrs May.

Another of the walking dead, along with Major, Kinnock, Heseltine, Bruin et al. They, along with the mandarins, will ignore the will of the people at their peril. Thursday was the British Bastille day.

Plenty of people who voted Leave changing their minds.

If people voted Leave because of what the Leave campaign sad the they have been lied to and conned.

I voted leave for other reasons and mine still hold true.

Do me a favour Haystack.

Apply that to any general election.

4112 - max, if i were neutral, i would not have voted ...... as well telegraphed, i voted "out" but not frothing at the mouth as some seem to be

Monday's Mail

Telegraph

Europe splits deepen over Brexit response as Angela Merkel moves to oust Jean-Claude Juncker

German Chancellor keen for pragmatic response to Brexit.

juncker has always been an enemy - aka an obstructive prick - and if AM can get him kicked into the long grass, so much the better for everyone

I suspect that Juncker will be gone in under a year. Merkel will push for less federalism and more reform of EU and some control of free movement. The idea is to persuade UK to have second referendum because of improved deal.

Blair is hoping that we won't leave the EU, and his opinion might hold more
sway if he wasn't so much of a pro-eu sycophant lying treacherous piece of
scum.

As to Nigel Farage not being involved in the negotiations..It would be a travesty
of justice if Nigel Farage's opinion was ignored, He's got more gumption more
honesty and believes in this country more then the majority of 'yes' men and
women that slither their spineless bodies through the corridors of Westminster.

And the reports that 'Europe splits deepen over Brexit response as Angela Merkel
moves to oust Jean-Claude Juncker'

It's got more to the fact that Juncker is a drunken twat then to do with Brexit.

It wasn't that long ago they voted him in..And that was mainly down
to Merkel.......

Well listening to some, it would appear that there is going to be a fall guy by
the name of J.C. Juncker(the drunk), in an effort to make the EU come across
more amiable and less federalist, which would only be illusionary, and designed
to lull us into a false sense of security....

Of course, but it may work.

i remain amused and bemused about the ongoing nonsense still pervading the media about a 2nd referendum being held

The queues are already kicking off from countries around the world, who are keen to do some business with us:

11 countries gearing up to strike trade deals with Britain