Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

4112 - max, if i were neutral, i would not have voted ...... as well telegraphed, i voted "out" but not frothing at the mouth as some seem to be

Monday's Mail

Telegraph

Europe splits deepen over Brexit response as Angela Merkel moves to oust Jean-Claude Juncker

German Chancellor keen for pragmatic response to Brexit.

juncker has always been an enemy - aka an obstructive prick - and if AM can get him kicked into the long grass, so much the better for everyone

I suspect that Juncker will be gone in under a year. Merkel will push for less federalism and more reform of EU and some control of free movement. The idea is to persuade UK to have second referendum because of improved deal.

Blair is hoping that we won't leave the EU, and his opinion might hold more
sway if he wasn't so much of a pro-eu sycophant lying treacherous piece of
scum.

As to Nigel Farage not being involved in the negotiations..It would be a travesty
of justice if Nigel Farage's opinion was ignored, He's got more gumption more
honesty and believes in this country more then the majority of 'yes' men and
women that slither their spineless bodies through the corridors of Westminster.

And the reports that 'Europe splits deepen over Brexit response as Angela Merkel
moves to oust Jean-Claude Juncker'

It's got more to the fact that Juncker is a drunken twat then to do with Brexit.

It wasn't that long ago they voted him in..And that was mainly down
to Merkel.......

Well listening to some, it would appear that there is going to be a fall guy by
the name of J.C. Juncker(the drunk), in an effort to make the EU come across
more amiable and less federalist, which would only be illusionary, and designed
to lull us into a false sense of security....

Of course, but it may work.

i remain amused and bemused about the ongoing nonsense still pervading the media about a 2nd referendum being held

The queues are already kicking off from countries around the world, who are keen to do some business with us:

11 countries gearing up to strike trade deals with Britain

k/news/2016/07/03/rupert-murdoch-nigel-farage-and-dr-liam-fox-meet-at-a-garden-par/

hTTp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/angela-merkel-to-oust-jean-claude-juncker-as-europe-splits-deepe/

Both nicked from over the road.

4136
I like the offer to trade footballers from Iceland. Done deal but really we have none to send their way. Maybe they will take a two for one deal with a free duvet cover thrown in.

Just out of interest - is this George Osborne chappie (the one who wants to lower corporation tax), the same buffoon that was telling us taxes would have to rise if we voted Brexit?

Or just an ironic co-incidence?

All the histrionics of the referendum apart, I think Gideon has actually been a good chancellor. He went in to bat for his boss and we for our opinions. We won. Time now to get on with governing the country again with a PM committed to Brexit.

Helping friends?

stop being grumpy fred ..... sulking just because you aren't on the christmas card list will not help you in any way

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why did farage chuck in the sponge?
surely not just because he has no support in parliament?

"It is clear that it is the (German) government's aim that the issue of taxes is dealt with in a fair way in the single market," he said, adding that Berlin was waiting to see whether Osborne would present his plans to European finance ministers.


WTF should he?
even while we are/were in EU, we do not have to get brussels approval for our tax regime ........ even VAT levels are different within the member states