Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Many of the UN members should perhaps focus on their own problems first. China for instance, a SC permanent member, is believed to use the death penalty on 10,000 people per year and you can guarantee they are not getting a fair trial. Purely in terms of loss of human life a much bigger problem than 1,000 killed in Gaza. Then of course a myriad of major human rights abuses throughout the country. Perhaps the United Nations should turn its attention to China?

Time will tell!

Yes when are George Bush and Tony Blair going to be indicted for crimes against humanity?

Never and why should they be?

Why do some of the people here who choose to condemn Isreal in the most vitreolic hate filled language remain silent about the terrible things done by the Taliban and in countries like Zimbabwe, Iran, Syria, many states using Sharia law and many other places?
I'm not surprised some Jews suspect an underlying anti-semitism. I don't blame them for feeling suspicious.
Why do they lap up Hamas extremist propaganda as "facts" (just look as the images someone posted of "Israeli" atrocities which turned out to be pictures of the Fatah members butchered by Hamas when they "purged" Gaza, killing their fellow Palestinians) but when Israel produces evidence they call it "propaganda".
I am not accusing the person who posted those images of anti-semitism, by the way and I am not referring to him in the following sentences. I'm just saying so many others are ready to accept anything which fits in with their beliefs and conditioning. They think they think for themselves but merely regurgitate propaganda.
One thing which has struck me is the large number of people here who are objective and not filled with bitter and twisted hatred. They have the sense and wisdom to draw their own conclusions. Now that really is positive.
Richard

WHY BELIEVE HAMAS CASUALTY FIGURES?

The media has, so far, reported Palestinian casualty figures provided by Hamas controlled sources such as the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza. Hamas operatives have dressed in civilian clothing and hidden behind Palestinian civilians. Hamas has prevented details of its casualties to prevent a total collapse of morale within the organization and the international media has acquiesced by failing to acknowledge that a significant number of Hamas terrorists have died during Israel's offensive.

Now, if further proof were needed as to the reliability of Hamas's figures, it has arrived as Hamas claims that it has lost only 48 of its operatives in 22 days, the rest of the Palestinian casualties made up of civilians. This claim is so absurd and laughable, how can anyone take this or anything that Hamas says seriously?

TAKING ON WHITE PHOSPHORUS ALLEGATIONS

Writing in The Jerusalem Post, Gerald Steinberg admonishes Human Rights Watch for its white phosphorus allegations against Israel:

HRW's "evidence" was based entirely on innuendo and unverifiable "eyewitness" reports. One report states that "[o]n January 9, Human Rights Watch researchers on a ridge overlooking Gaza from the northwest observed multiple air-bursts of artillery-fired WP that appeared to be over the Gaza City/Jabalya area. In addition, Human Rights Watch has analyzed photographs taken by the media on the Israel-Gaza border." HRW does not name its researchers; it does not provide a detailed location of its observation, nor does it identify the photos it "analyzed" making independent verification of this "evidence" impossible.

Indeed, two days later, the International Committee of the Red Cross, which certainly cannot be accused of a pro-Israeli bias, issued a statement that backed the IDF statements. "Using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law," it said, adding that there was no evidence that Israel was "using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or consciously putting civilians at risk." (Flares assist search and rescue forces in saving the lives of wounded soldiers and preventing Hamas from snatching the bodies of dead soldiers. To claim that such operations are illegitimate is, in and of itself, immoral.)

Fred, you have got a bare faced cheek you really have,
how can you accuse anyone of turning a blind eye?
your the biggest culprit on this site of changing agenda to suit,turning a blind eye,etc
you really should try and remember past posts/threads before opening your mouth .

When Israeli ground forces went in Hamas gave orders that all their military personnel abandon their combat fatigues and wear civilian clothes. Most but not all did so.......
Source, Al Jazeera TV news.

Draw your own conclusions.............

MInd you, some here would say Al Jazeera is an Israeli propaganda outfit.....LOL !
Richard

MCharts, were you looking at your own reflection or perhaps you are projecting your own feelings on to others.

I am glad that Tel Aviv isn't a propaganda outlet. LOL

Fred

You're continuing not to make any sense.

post 387 ...... you are confusing Palestine, which was a British Protectorate, with land that belonged to the Palestinians, which it never did, or at least not unless you accept the double-speak by the British Gov't just after WW1 when the area was promised to both parties

"Fred
You're continuing not to make any sense"


So what's new? :)
Richard

Mr Charts,

Mr Charts,

I would be surprised if you understand my postings on Israels criminal actions against the Palestinians.

You would appear to be stuck in outmoded methods of problem solving.

Israel is responsible for War Crimes and Murder against the Palestinians. The majority of the World are beginning to think of Israel as a Pariah state.


-------------(Hitler's attempt to wipe out its Palestinian problem is synonymous with Nazi action against the Jews.)----------------------



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Correction of previous sentence for Mr Charts

Israels attempt to wipe out its Palestinian problem is synonymous with the Nazi action against the Jews.

Fred

This sort of language is unacceptable on a public BB. Please edit.

In any event, Hitler's been dead as a dead thing for many a year.

Try adding less sauce to the beans tomorrow, Fred?

Point of order: Britain's rule in Palestine after WW1 was a Mandate of the League of Nations from 1920 to 1948 after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire.

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"Fred1new - 19 Jan 2009 21:24 - 427 of 430
Mr Charts,

I would be surprised if you understand my postings on Israels criminal actions against the Palestinians.

You would appear to be stuck in outmoded methods of problem solving.

Israel is responsible for War Crimes and Murder against the Palestinians. The majority of the World are beginning to think of Israel as a Pariah state.

Hitler's attempt to wipe out its Palestinian problem is synonymous with Nazi action against the Jews." "
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Read the last sentence. Again.
Alcohol?
Drugs?
Stupidity?


I will not engage in debate with Fred beyond these final words.
To say what you have said shows either sheer ignorance or sheer stupidity or mere infantile attempts at cage rattling.
What I find hilarious about you is the way you are happy on other threads to defend alleged criminals saying they are not guilty unless convicted by a court and yet you condemn Israel without such due process of law.

Do get the dictionary out the way you condescendingly advise others to, and look up the word, "hypocrisy".

And to use your second favourite phrase, 'I don't expect you to understand'.

And one very last thing, get yourself some professional help.........or maybe not because so very many of your posts are just so funny I almost cry with laughter.

Israel is a Jewish State. Is that your problem? Frankly, given a choice, I prefer the skinheads and other brutes who express their anti-Semitism openly. In such places, we know the enemy. But please spare me the pieties and the righteous indignation of those "good people" protesting throughout Europe against Israel's defensive operation in Gaza. True, thousands have taken up banners in support of Israel. At the same time, however, the streets of Europe (and even some in America) are in an uproar. These are the "humanitarians" - the good, the noble, the refined, who chant "peace." Now you're up and about? Now you speak? Where were you when, throughout the years, thousands of jihadist bombs fell on Israel? The streets of Europe were empty. There were no pictures in the newspapers of grieving Jewish mothers and fathers. You called it "peace" as long as the Arabs were doing the killing and the Jews were doing the dying. All was well with the world. Suddenly, as Israel answered back, you found your Cause; and how self-righteous you are in your Cause. You are the best and the brightest of Europe. You are educated. You attended the finest schools. You care for the birds, the bees, the bears, the trees. You favor free speech and freedom of religion. Strange it is that the one and only place in the Middle East that shares your world-view is Israel, and it is Israel that you slander. Israel is a Jewish State. Is that your problem? At the first hint of Jewish self-defense, how quickly you show your true colors. I've seen the photos of your candlelight vigils along the streets and boulevards of Europe, all of it; all these tears in the service of those terrorists whom you call your brothers. Indeed you are related to Hamas (and Fatah) as once before, a mere generation ago, you were related to Hitler's stormtroopers. Your angelic faces are touching - and disgusting. Your hypocrisy is transparent and nauseating. You speak of disproportion. You want proportion? Give Israel a population of 300 million residing in 22 countries, similar to the Arab Muslims who surround and ambush Israel - instead of five and a half million Jews in one single country. There's plenty of "proportion" coming from your BBC, which delights in presenting one side of the story and picks up where Der Sturmer left off. Now, with this type of "news", we know how Europe was conditioned for a Holocaust. Already we see Nights of Broken Glass. Thank you, Europe, for reminding us why America was discovered just in time (and why Israel was redeemed many generations too late). You dare judge Israel? In your deportations, your expulsions, your forced conversions, your inquisitions, your pogroms, you have no moral authority over Israel or even within your own borders. You gave all that up from 1492 to 1942. To those on the Left who sought peace, well, dear peace-lovers, peace brought this on. "Land for Peace" made this happen, as Land for Peace became Land for Jihad. "Painful Concessions" caused this war. "Goodwill Gestures" backfired. Want more "peace"? Give up the Golan Heights. Give up the entire West Bank. Give up Jerusalem. Imagine the "peace." As for those "innocent civilians" in Gaza, they were given a choice and they chose Hamas. They chose this pestilence. As for those "refugee camps" - why are they "refugee camps" when Israel handed over all that territory for a nation to be built in peace and security alongside Israel? Why are all Palestinians automatically refugees even after they've been given a home? The only true refugees are the thousands of Israelis who were driven from Gaza and still live in trailer parks. No tears for them in this world that still dreams of Auschwitz. On this day, in response to a column I wrote about Theresienstadt, someone responded that I was incorrect; that Theresienstadt was not a prelude to Auschwitz, but rather "a vacation resort." I wrote back wishing this person a lifetime in such vacation resorts. I wish the same lifetime vacation resorts to all those parading throughout the streets of Europe with banners crying, "Death to Israel." God bless the IDF! Go Israel!

" GO SIVAD !!!!! "