Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

interesting times in brussels which just MAY play into DC's hands

if brussels now insists upon and appoints this known federalist, then it is likely to push DC towards a referendum supporting "out", which neither germany nor france want at all - eu is in a pretty fragile state already

if they get this chap blocked, then it will be a significant victory, albeit that is just the starting line

Shortie,

Does that mean his "opinions" are different to yours.

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cynic 25 May 2014 13:44 - 41396 of 41460

lib/dems are no different from the other two parties - no obvious leaders or even creditworthy NCOs


Cynic,

When Theresa May is elected leader of the con party, can you imagine coming down to breakfast in the morning and seeing her sitting at the other side of the table.

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The thought made me shiver.

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I was asked by someone while in France, "where have all the football hooligans and rioters of the 70s and 80s gone"?

At first I didn't know and then realised they had all matured and joined UKIP.

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GF.

Good to be back.

The Dordogne was as beautiful as ever, relaxed and not as anti-EU as one may interpret from the election results.

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I offered them Cameron and Farage, but many replied, "they would prefer to drink bad wine than accept them".

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But can you imagine a country managed by two barrow boy spivs Cameron and Farage in a coalition ?

With one out of "touch" and out of his mind due to the effects of Coke and the other in a similar state due to ethanol.

Ah, so you want Millibandus eh Fred...really?

Cynic, Germany might not want an out vote yet but I believe France is rather coming round to the idea following the National Front victory there.

Lets be honest, when the council next meets they will all pledge growth, emloyment and stand there holding hands like nothings changed for a photo.

ah yes; i'd forgotten about NF in france
but of course NF will have it's own problems as if it just wants "out regardless" like ukip, then it will probably find itself marooned, though i confess i'm unsure how these internal "cliques" work in eu set-up

You say 'out regardless' like we have a choice in membership. The EU isn't like the AA whereby you can pick the level of cover required for the year. If it were I'm sure it'd function far better..!

Prime Minister David Cameron, whose Conservative party lost seven seats, said it was clear voters were "deeply disillusioned" with Europe and that the message was "received and understood".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27579235

You gotta laugh, us voters are "deeply disillusioned" with Europe, I'd put it to Mr Cameron and his party that they were in fact the ones "deeply disillusioned"...

that remains to be seen
if DC can get no proper concessions, then for sure any referendum will vote "out"

"can't get concessions"?
you don't know until you try and there is a good likelihood there'll be quite a lot offered either willingly or through duress
EM and his wet chums certainly couldn't get anything, but then of course labour is uninterested in even trying

Tony Blair has taken a swipe at UKIP, saying beneath the facade lurks something "pretty nasty and unpleasant".

could say similar and worse about blair

For me I just don't see any positives in being in the EU in the first place. I see only cost to being in the EU, they say trade and agriculture benefits the most but I really don't see how. Our farmers I think would be better off out of the EU and as for trade Sterling strength is by far the biggest driver.

i want to listen hard to the arguments from both sides and assuredly don't wish to be bulldozed into getting out by the likes of ukip or staying in by labour

I'm not 100% lets get out either, if there is a valid reason to be in the EU then I'm all ears. It makes you wonder what the real if any Pro's are though, so far I've yet to come accross any that aren't easily disputed or in reality are just not relevant to me and my life!

generally we just hear the headline stuff
certainly we don't hear of any will to change the "cosy clique" in brussels, but i hope that is about to change

Well Cameron seams to be publicly showing that he's listing to voters and demonstrating he's in touch with concerns. A PR stunt maybe, but all the same it'll earn him trust points as long as there is an end result and it doesn't fizzle out.

Milliband s reaction yesterday was the people dont like whats going on in the country with this government he completely missed the point even when asked again ,typical arrogant Labour .

EM is DC's secret weapon :-)

I don't do protest votes ,i think they are stupid and dangerous but i did vote UKIP last week thinking that many others who have just about had enough of immigration would do the same , it turned out i was right.
Plus i think Farage is a decent guy , you can not compare him to the idiots in the BNP.
I for one have had enough of Eastern Europeans flooding in to this country.

jimmy - however, you also need to recognise that, as it stands, eu citizens have a right of entry, just as "we" do in the other direction

where it can be tightened significantly and even within eu law i am sure, is when it comes to claiming assorted benefits and also refusing entry for known criminals
to refuse entry for say bulgarians because their own country's gdp or average wage is too low, probably doesn't stand up, and indeed i am not sure that should be a criterion

Max,

Don't go along with Milliband on all policies, but at least he seems to be thinking rather than shooting his mouth off and bribing the gullible with U-turn or fragmenting policies.

I will wait an see what happens over the next 6-9months, but this lot of tories are an elitist self serving bunch relating back to previous periods in history.

I didn't and don't like Blair, but thought much of what he was saying about the EU was common sense.

Interesting for me, coming back from France through Dunkirk I was amazed at the amount of heavy transport lorries crossing and carrying from the Poland, CZ Germany etc.

If we are outside EU we will have to pay a price!

as a dedicated non-voter fred, why should you care and indeed do you even have a right to care?
an oft repeated statement i know