Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

i want to listen hard to the arguments from both sides and assuredly don't wish to be bulldozed into getting out by the likes of ukip or staying in by labour

I'm not 100% lets get out either, if there is a valid reason to be in the EU then I'm all ears. It makes you wonder what the real if any Pro's are though, so far I've yet to come accross any that aren't easily disputed or in reality are just not relevant to me and my life!

generally we just hear the headline stuff
certainly we don't hear of any will to change the "cosy clique" in brussels, but i hope that is about to change

Well Cameron seams to be publicly showing that he's listing to voters and demonstrating he's in touch with concerns. A PR stunt maybe, but all the same it'll earn him trust points as long as there is an end result and it doesn't fizzle out.

Milliband s reaction yesterday was the people dont like whats going on in the country with this government he completely missed the point even when asked again ,typical arrogant Labour .

EM is DC's secret weapon :-)

I don't do protest votes ,i think they are stupid and dangerous but i did vote UKIP last week thinking that many others who have just about had enough of immigration would do the same , it turned out i was right.
Plus i think Farage is a decent guy , you can not compare him to the idiots in the BNP.
I for one have had enough of Eastern Europeans flooding in to this country.

jimmy - however, you also need to recognise that, as it stands, eu citizens have a right of entry, just as "we" do in the other direction

where it can be tightened significantly and even within eu law i am sure, is when it comes to claiming assorted benefits and also refusing entry for known criminals
to refuse entry for say bulgarians because their own country's gdp or average wage is too low, probably doesn't stand up, and indeed i am not sure that should be a criterion

Max,

Don't go along with Milliband on all policies, but at least he seems to be thinking rather than shooting his mouth off and bribing the gullible with U-turn or fragmenting policies.

I will wait an see what happens over the next 6-9months, but this lot of tories are an elitist self serving bunch relating back to previous periods in history.

I didn't and don't like Blair, but thought much of what he was saying about the EU was common sense.

Interesting for me, coming back from France through Dunkirk I was amazed at the amount of heavy transport lorries crossing and carrying from the Poland, CZ Germany etc.

If we are outside EU we will have to pay a price!

as a dedicated non-voter fred, why should you care and indeed do you even have a right to care?
an oft repeated statement i know

cynic , i know this is a bit basic but originally the EU was made up of member states that could have a round robin of immigration without tipping the balance , all the Eastern block states came on board later , how many of us will be going to work in Romania or Bulgaria ? compare that to the hundreds of thousands coming here .
Our schools and hospitals and infrastructure can't take it .

you're right insofar as the eu has grown like topsy, but leaving aside all the usual political nonsense, how does one create and then impose sensible rules regarding free movement across borders by member citizens?

And what price might there be to pay for heavy transport lorries coming into the UK, if we leave the EU?

Don't have free movement across borders simples.

Shortie i was in international transport until 10 years ago ,we always paid a lot more to move trucks abroad than they paid here . That is why a lot of UK hauliers started to register UK trucks in the Netherlands .

haulage costs within uk are horrific too as are x-channel rates

please define "no free movement"
visas required?

cynic i must admit i don't have the answers , i can just see (as Blair couldn't) that when you have countries such as the ones we are talking about and the door is open to the land of milk and honey they are going to flood in , its not going to work i suppose i dont believe in the united states of Europe .

Are you implying that there will be some kind of quota or extra charge if we leave the EU to Export goods into the EU?

cynic 27 May 2014 13:50 - 41486 of 41493

as a dedicated non-voter fred, why should you care and indeed do you even have a right to care?
an oft repeated statement i know

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Whether I use "my" rights to vote or not to vote does not diminish my rights and I find it interesting to "try" to "judge" what is going to happen "politically".

But, unlike you I don't have any need to attach myself to the ragtag and bobtail you seem happy to be attached too.

To vote for a grubby crew like the present tory party of motley crew of UKIP has no appeal.

Feel a bit sorry for Clegg. He made a difficult decision and may have got it wrong, but unlike the old etonians does seem to have some principles.

Not sure about labour, but liked the sense of what Milliband is suggesting.

Have feeling his middle game is good and maybe his endgame will be even better.

I will wait and see.

If we left the EU completely, there would be a tarrif barrier for us as there is for goods from outside the EU now.

You imply the tarrif (if any) would be a one way street.