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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

hilary - 01 Feb 2011 14:23 - 4187 of 6906

Maybe he should be banned in the US. He's hardly Mickey Bubbles.

Fred1new - 01 Feb 2011 14:53 - 4188 of 6906

Post 4182

Is Israel being helpful to Egypt, their friend Hosini, somebody or something else?

I think a very big spanner has been thrown in the works.




Fred1new - 01 Feb 2011 15:30 - 4189 of 6906

Just another little thought, perhaps Mubarak and his "government" can seek "asylum" in Israel.

They may feel at home there.

In The Land of the B - 01 Feb 2011 15:55 - 4190 of 6906

Isn't it amazing how the hate brigade here twist everything around into their hatred of Israel ?
Ever heard of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.......?

Haystack - 01 Feb 2011 16:12 - 4191 of 6906

As opposed to Israel hating the Palestinians.

Now Jordan has dismissed its government today. That's another country with a peace agreement with Israel.

I read today that Israel gets 40% of its gas from Egypt.

In The Land of the B - 01 Feb 2011 16:33 - 4192 of 6906

Connecting unconnected facts is a sign of losing it.

Anyone who has been to Israel would know - rather than those who scream out of the tops of their heads claiming their personal opinion is fact - yes, you and the others parrot - that about 75-80% of Israelis want a two state solution, about 10-15% just don't know as their fear stops them, and about 10% are dead against a settlement.
Opinion polls echo that, parrot. Not unsupported conjecture "Israel hating the Palestinians" as spews out of your finger tips, parrot.
Ah, everything in black and white, ignorance and hatred are so easy, aren't they?
Of course, it's all some intellectually and mentally challenged people can cope with.

Haystack - 01 Feb 2011 18:46 - 4193 of 6906

I am not discussing the people of Israel, but their government and its actions. If the people want a two state solution then change the government. They won't get it with the current one.

Haystack - 01 Feb 2011 18:49 - 4194 of 6906

There is an interesting program on BBC 2 on Thursday at 9pm for an hour - "The Ultra Zionists". It is about settlers in the West Bank.

cynic - 01 Feb 2011 18:50 - 4195 of 6906

what an inane and typical facile comment .... it's akin to saying we don't like the EU so let's change the gov't

cynic - 01 Feb 2011 18:51 - 4196 of 6906

your tv programme is much more likely to be about what it actually says on the tin, which is nothing like what you are wanting to wish .... in fact i note it is one of Louis Theroux's "escapades" (sorry; not intended to be derogatory, but can't think of the right word) .... he is a very clever and interesting interviewer, as you would have noticed if you have seen any of his other programmes ..... if you did, did you feel that his portrayal of white extremists in mid-west USA was put across as being typical of the general population and its consensus? .... no, it portrayed as it said on the tin!

Haystack - 01 Feb 2011 20:47 - 4197 of 6906

Unless Israel changes their government they won't get a two state solution. The current government doesn't seem to want a two state solution. If they did then they would not let settlers build settlements illegally in the area that is supposed to be for the Palestinians. They would not guard the settlers with occupation forces while they attack Palestinian farmers and steal their land.

The changes in government in Egypt and possibly some other countries may be a reality check for Israel. Israel has been hurredly contacting their embassies around the world over the last few days tryting to gather support for the dictator in Egypt. At least Israel is beginning to realsie what trouble they may be in for.

cynic - 01 Feb 2011 20:58 - 4198 of 6906

dope - and that's as polite as it gets ..... just as a basic - when was the last time that israel had a single party majority? .... can't be bothered with more .... just go and have a think and a read before you post such juvenile rubbish

Haystack - 01 Feb 2011 21:54 - 4199 of 6906

They constantly have a coalition because of the far right religious parties. While that continues Israel will get nowhere. It is up to the people to vote for a different grouping if they want things to get better.

It is a bizzare situation going by your own figures.

"that about 75-80% of Israelis want a two state solution, about 10-15% just don't know as their fear stops them, and about 10% are dead against a settlement"

That clearly isn't reflected in Israeli election results. If it was you would easily have a majority for a two state solution. The reality is that they have a government that pretends to be heading towards a two state solution while taking more and more land and supressing the population of east Jerusalem and the West Bank. The people to vote in a more considered way.

There is a piece of video on the internet of Netenyahu filmed without his knowledge. It shows him in a house talking to supporters. He is telling them that he is pretending to be pursuing the peace process, but will just take more land.

Fred1new - 01 Feb 2011 22:40 - 4200 of 6906

Hays,

Once again I agree with your summation, but Cynic is being his usual obtuse self.

Interesting to try to guess at the next five years in the M.E., but I think this may awaken Israelis to America and their own limitations.

Haystack - 01 Feb 2011 22:45 - 4201 of 6906

This is a similar video clip

Netanyahu: America is Easy to Push Around (English Subtitles)

Originally broadcast on Israel channel 10 last July as "The real AND deceitful face of Binyamin Netenhayu"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6KLFrye9Xk


MightyMicro - 01 Feb 2011 22:57 - 4202 of 6906

I've just worked out that, if this thread had started in 1947 with the founding of the State of Israel, it would now have 70,400 postings - and be no nearer agreement or resolution.

yuff - 02 Feb 2011 09:27 - 4203 of 6906

Have you noticed it is the Arab Govts that quake with fear. Netanyahu is safe as Israel is the only democracy in the Mid East. Its taken uprisings to prove this very basic point.

cynic - 02 Feb 2011 09:41 - 4204 of 6906

very true, but it's a shame that, due to the inordinate number of parties who hold a spoiling vote between them all, it is difficult for israel to have a strong gov't that is able and has the will to take and force through difficult and unpopular (with the noisy lunatic fringe) decisions ...... unquestionably, USA holds the key, but it has been lily-livered for many years as all presidents are fearful of alienating the jewish lobby ..... and before this thread's idiots latch onto that, it similarly applies to the gun and trucking cabals, and formerly with the irish contingent

Fred1new - 02 Feb 2011 09:56 - 4205 of 6906

Cynic,

I thought if you tried really hard, you could write sense.

Having written that, I don't feel well. I will have to have another lie down.

8-)

The problem is when individuals get into "government" and fail the "people" who put them in power.

Sometimes because the "ideals" are too "high", "patience" runs out, or greed takes over.

mnamreh - 02 Feb 2011 10:13 - 4206 of 6906

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