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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

goldfinger - 04 Jun 2014 18:29 - 41935 of 81564

iain-duncan-smith.jpg?w=195&h=138The Staggering Cost Of One Man’s Delusions: £25 Billion Squandered On Bungled Welfare Reforms

Posted on June 2nd, 2014 by johnny void | 142 Comments

The recent report from the Major Projects Authority, which revealed that Universal Credit is such a fucking disaster they had to invent a whole new category to describe it, also laid bare the astronomical cost of Iain Duncan Smith’s welfare reforms.

Just under £11 billion is budgeted to be squandered on some of the DWP’s largest projects, and that figure doesn’t include Universal Credit. The cost of this hare-brained experiment is shrouded in mystery now it has been classed as ‘reset’, but last year the Major Projects Authority reported that the bill would reach £12.8 billion.

Even this is far from the whole story. Community Work Placements, the latest mass workfare scheme, will cost almost a third of a billion. The costs of other Jobcentre schemes, such as Mandatory Work Activity, are not included in the above figures. At the very least the budgeted costs of welfare reform exceed £25 billion pounds. The true figure is likely to be much higher as reforms such as the Bedroom Tax unravel and start to cost the tax payer even more money.

The good news is that not all of this budget has been spent. It had been assumed by the DWP that the Work Programme would actually help some people get jobs. They thought wrong. Such has been the dismal performance of the payment by results scheme that it is one of the few of Iain Duncan Smith’s pet projects that is actually running under budget.

The bad news is that this kind of crazed optimism has led to ludicrous spending projections in which IDS has decided his reforms will lead to the cost of Jobseeker’s Allowance falling by over a third by 2017. This is likely to be because of all the new jobs that he thinks will be magically created by Universal Credit. What it means is that there is a time bomb in the social security budget for whichever bunch of bastards manages to win the next election.

With all this money being thrown around to bully and harass claimants off benefits it might be expected that spending on social security would fall, especially as those benefits themselves have been subject to huge cuts. This is not the case however and total spending on social security this year is forecast to be £10 billion higher than before the cuts began. This figures includes pensions, but spending on unemployment benefits, housing benefits and tax credits has reached record levels under this Government. Even spending on sickness benefits seems back on the rise despite Atos and the DWP’s attempt at curing people with endless assessments and workfare. It turns out people are still getting sick.

It is genuinely astonishing that a Government obsessed with austerity has given a blank cheque-book to a fucking idiot like Iain Duncan Smith. The real tragedy is that if some of this money had actually gone into to those who needed it then some of the worst impacts of the economic downturn could have been avoided. Instead the opposite has happened. The very poorest have been driven to destitution whilst billions has been shovelled into the pockets of grasping crooks in the welfare-to-work industry like A4e and G4S.

We are all paying the price of this reckless spending spree, and the social costs of child poverty, homelessness and despair that Iain Duncan Smith has spent billions creating will last for generations. One day people will look back in horror that one man’s folly was allowed to run rampant through so many lives. But for now the horror show continues unabated, and the financial cost is nothing compared to the tragedy of future’s destroyed and lives demolished.

To view the Major Project Authority report visit: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/dwp-government-major-projects-portfolio-data-2014

To see benefit expenditure and projections download the spreadsheet: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/310483/outturn-and-forecast-budget-2014.xls

goldfinger - 04 Jun 2014 18:31 - 41936 of 81564

This is not the case however and total spending on social security this year is forecast to be £10 billion higher than before the cuts began. This figures includes pensions, but spending on unemployment benefits, housing benefits and tax credits has reached record levels under this Government.

Stan - 04 Jun 2014 19:02 - 41937 of 81564

Smith the useless to go in a re-shuffle sideways no doubt.-

goldfinger - 04 Jun 2014 19:04 - 41938 of 81564

Wheres Max today?, cant remember seeing him.

goldfinger - 04 Jun 2014 19:04 - 41939 of 81564

Stan, party chairman.........LOL.

Chris Carson - 04 Jun 2014 20:01 - 41940 of 81564

Fred - Fuck off back to Wales. GF as promised no insults towards you (yet) despite the incessant shite you post. Believe Rooney is playing on the wing tonight, yeah I'll give that five minutes.

Back to the real world, golf finals cancelled tonight greens flooded. Friday 5.30pm weather forecast looking good. See Barkley and Shaw starting tonight.

Chris Carson - 04 Jun 2014 20:01 - 41941 of 81564

Fred - Fuck off back to Wales. GF as promised no insults towards you (yet) despite the incessant shite you post. Believe Rooney is playing on the wing tonight, yeah I'll give that five minutes.

Back to the real world, golf finals cancelled tonight greens flooded. Friday 5.30pm weather forecast looking good. See Barkley and Shaw starting tonight.

dreamcatcher - 04 Jun 2014 20:08 - 41942 of 81564

1-0 lol

Stan - 05 Jun 2014 07:56 - 41943 of 81564

Out of order post alert 41943, Parliamentary language please.

MaxK - 05 Jun 2014 08:13 - 41944 of 81564

Morning girls.

I'm in La Belle France at the moment gf, and the interweb access is a bit iffy.


cynic - 05 Jun 2014 08:16 - 41945 of 81564

murray/monfils
if one didn't know better, or if this had been a cricket match in another region of the world, one might have asked for an investigation into betting activity :-)

i only watched the last hour or so of grunting, but what an extraordinary turn-around

cynic - 05 Jun 2014 08:46 - 41946 of 81564

Ireland's Roman Catholic Church told the order of nuns who ran the former home where a mass grave of almost 800 children was found that it must co-operate with any inquiry into the discovery.
Ireland is considering an investigation into what the government called a "deeply disturbing" discovery of an unmarked graveyard at a former home run by the Bon Secours Sister where 796 children died between 1925 and 1961.


CONSIDERING????!!!!

MaxK - 05 Jun 2014 09:54 - 41947 of 81564

Yes, a strange way of putting it.

Do the have a choice in the matter?

cynic - 05 Jun 2014 10:00 - 41948 of 81564

i'm sorry to say that the catholic church has a deservedly very tarnished reputation for sweeping "nasty bits" under the carpet ..... i suppose one shouldn't mention Pius Xll of fairly recent times, but i shall

Haystack - 05 Jun 2014 10:21 - 41949 of 81564

It is the same with all religious groups. I have seen abuse stories related to most major religions. The Catholic church does have a specific problem due to its celibacy rules.

Fred1new - 05 Jun 2014 10:47 - 41950 of 81564

So did the pagans!

Haystack - 05 Jun 2014 11:06 - 41951 of 81564

It may be that the delusional beliefs of people attracted to official positions within religious bodies go hand in hand with other abherrant and deviant behaviour.

Fred1new - 05 Jun 2014 11:21 - 41952 of 81564

Sounds like the tory party to me!

goldfinger - 05 Jun 2014 12:39 - 41953 of 81564

Hope your enjoying yourself Max, .....silly question.

ahoj - 05 Jun 2014 16:22 - 41954 of 81564

I can't wait to see how the new European parliament perform. Some of them are not fat cats and will perform independently.

That should be good for the Europeans.
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