This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

The war was not illegal. There was a clear mandate in place for it and another was not needed. Period. That is a fact. The resolution passed stated in no uncertain terms that full and open cooperation with the inspectorate must happen and if not the UN had authorised military force. That is one thing that cannot ever be argued.
Kofi Annan had a strange pang of liberalism that made him distance himself from his own organisations decision. If he was honourable, he would have resigned when the UN voted unanimously to pass the resolution authorising force.
To say the Iranians are simply misunderstood is hand wringing apologist nonsense. How much clearer would you like the statement. Israel should be wiped from the map. This from a government that advocated death to those who don't believe in their silly religion. It doesn't get much clearer than that.
It amazes me the double standards applied. You claim the Iranians have all these rights and are sorely misunderstood and yet you also claim, in the same post, that it is acceptable that they want shut of Israel. Have the Israelis no rights? You claim the Iranian Ayatollah to be misunderstood in his death threats and pronouncements but you would laugh if I were to ask you to afford the same privilege to Tony Blair or george Bush. That smacks, rather distastefully, of being patronising.
Gun boat diplomacy is not something i would tie myself to, but, in the event of diplomatic and political methods failing, As they did in Iraq, then force is the only answer left. This is not a first resort, it is a last resort.
if you had not noticed, the areas of the world where evil dictatorships have been ousted by force are, on the whole, peaceful and prosperous, and of no threat to anyone. The area of the world that has had bunches of liberal apologists seeking to defend them and try other means is in constant turmoil, threatens the globe either physically or financially and offers no pretence to negotiation.
To say the inspectorate should have been allowed to finish the job is a scream. They had spent over 8 years being thwarted at every attempt. They had been in and out of Iraq constantly and spent 8 years asking the UN to finally deal with it. On the eve of invasion, Saddam suddenly has a change of heart and says okay guys, come and check and gullible people everywhere thought this time he meant it. Don't make me laugh. It was another stalling tactic as he realised that he could keep his own people in check through torture and mass murder, but not the might of a UN backed force on his doorstep.
And still you fail to come up with a workable alternative. It is so very easy to criticise others but so very difficult to do any better.
Oh and by the way. What do the Celts want with England? They govern England through a Celtic premier and Celtic Chancellor, and have absolutely free right to live and work in England. Are you saying that all the non-Celts should move abroad and give their homes and businesses to Celts?
How very odd.
Alan

BTW. Bin Laden is a Saudi, whose family are as rich as Creosote. He has no need of financing by anyone. He was supported by the US to rid Afghanistan of the USSR.
I own a dog and I give it food shelter and love. If it bites my kids I will personally shoot it.
think about it.

hewittalan6 - 27 Mar 2006 19:47 - 420 of 421
The war was not illegal. There was a clear mandate in place for it and another was not needed. Period. That is a fact. The resolution passed stated in no uncertain terms that full and open cooperation with the inspectorate must happen and if not the UN had authorised military force. That is one thing that cannot ever be argued.
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THOU SHALL NOT KILL THY FELLOW MEN....FOR OIL,POWER OR ISRAEL....SO ENDETH THE FIRST LESSON

Ever think of preaching that to the Hussein family who slaughtered thousand for political expediency or sport?
Thought not.
That would hurt the very poor apologists argument.
Alan

hey in answer to the question the thread... NO

Blair should fight to the end, even if he takes us with him..

we cant let these things continue, people dying for no reason at all.. all this wealth in this country and people starve or are inslaved, HSBC alone makes enought profit to feed countries several times over, but no one says anything.

Corporations massive profits should line the pockets of the poor, not make rich people even more richer..

You gonna kick it off by donating your shares to Oxfam, then???? ;-)

there should be a worldwide rule, if a company makes more than a 500,000,000 profit half should go to poverty. and there should also be a rule included, loopholes will be punishable by prison, i.e. of a company makes this profit but spends it on buying other companies then this should be treated as an offence

I said corporations not me

Destroying capitalism never fed anyone.
Ask the inhabitants of Russia, Zimbabwe, China, the old eastern bloc....................

LOL

A new economic system even worse than communism!

not alot you can say really...the picture says it ...welcome to reality!

HEWITT. JUST GOES SHOW YOU DONT GIVE DAMN ABOUT THOSE THAT SUFFER, PROFITS OF IN EXCESS OF 500,0000,000 OF WHICH 50% COULD GO TO POVERTY WOULD NOT DESTROY CAPITALISM AT ALL.

If i had 500 mil ,id buy one of these .

I prefer this



The biggest private yacht -owned by the Saudis

motor yacht PRINCE ABDUL AZIZ
Shipyard HELSINGOR VAERFT
Built 1984
L.O.A. (length over all) 145 m
Beam 18 m
Draught 4.9 m
Cruising speed 22 kts
Number of Crew 65

and why on earth would you want that for... waiste of money, I seriously hope st. peter does gard the gates, and does not let people in that think like that

Selfish

Frankly i am glad hitler did not exist in this generation, cause you lot would be useless, thank god our grandparents were not greedy and thought of others, cause you lot would only think of yourselves, you lot would just run away and say its mine all mine.... sod the rest

Dam it Haystack , you seem to be considerably richer than me .

al - what good do think has come from this for the iragi people??? there is no law and order, hospitals, museaums, schools, houses of religion etc etc have been lost, bombed, ruined, damaged for ever. There is little law and order, hospitals are close to stand still, (with little left) the armies (us, gb and iragi) and the iragi people are murdering each other at will. People are scared to go out doors and equally scared inside, cant visit and look after relatives, people living agony, limbs missing, dying slowly and quickly. Exactly who has benefitted from this. Saddam effected the lives of hundreds maybe thousands, this as effected millions. Like i have said before, many on here and everywhere show little empathy or sympathy with the plight of many decent people. I am convinced that many brits dont give two hoots about this foriegn race a million miles from where we live. Its time the cameras went in there 2 hours every day and show on telly at 6 o'oclock in the evening the reality of this evasion. and like my gran used to say ''what goes around comes around'' Cannot for the life me see why we spent billions on this crazy war. If the oil installions we're setting up by the west are under constant threat if not attack.

Just need a few of these sunbathing on deck .. katcenker ,i'm not completely selfish ,i give to the Sally Army every year ,and the foot and mouth painting artists, (people who create xmas cards with no limbs .

By the way she's not one of them .

oh, i think her suntan might just put a few off.