Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
cynic
- 02 Feb 2011 09:41
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very true, but it's a shame that, due to the inordinate number of parties who hold a spoiling vote between them all, it is difficult for israel to have a strong gov't that is able and has the will to take and force through difficult and unpopular (with the noisy lunatic fringe) decisions ...... unquestionably, USA holds the key, but it has been lily-livered for many years as all presidents are fearful of alienating the jewish lobby ..... and before this thread's idiots latch onto that, it similarly applies to the gun and trucking cabals, and formerly with the irish contingent
Fred1new
- 02 Feb 2011 09:56
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Cynic,
I thought if you tried really hard, you could write sense.
Having written that, I don't feel well. I will have to have another lie down.
8-)
The problem is when individuals get into "government" and fail the "people" who put them in power.
Sometimes because the "ideals" are too "high", "patience" runs out, or greed takes over.
mnamreh
- 02 Feb 2011 10:13
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Isaacs
- 02 Feb 2011 21:23
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Some things never change MM.
Fred1new
- 03 Feb 2011 09:09
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N,
Are you quibbling again?
8-~)
But I don't believe in an absolute values, on perfect "ideals", or absolute morality.
Was confused 40 years ago when first discussed such, and remain so.
Will come back, but my router and net work have been giving me trouble.
Not sure why at the moment.
Have a good day.
Fred1new
- 03 Feb 2011 09:13
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All I know is that I hope Egypt does not end in a civil war and hope for a moderate "government" replaces its present ruling "body".
My wife's family suffered for generations from the family splits, which occurred after a civil war.
cynic
- 03 Feb 2011 09:54
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didn't know you could trace your family back to 17th century ..... i think civil war in egypt is unlikely, unless fomented by the external backers of fundamentalism ..... however, "moderate" is also questionable ..... my bet is that the army will effectively "elect" someone to act at their behest
Fred1new
- 03 Feb 2011 10:44
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My wife can. I haven't bothered to, as I know who I am. 8-)
Unfortunately, without the obvious political leaders and "representative" groups, there will be a political vacuum and it seems probable that the many be a "temporary" military government.
Do you mean by "external backers of fundamentalism" the American Zionist lobbies who back Zionist Fundamentalism in Israel.
cynic
- 03 Feb 2011 11:28
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arsehole! ..... try islamic extremists of which there is already a sizeable caucus in egypt
In The Land of the B
- 03 Feb 2011 12:10
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cynic,
Don't let freddie few brains wind you up. His attitude and that of the parrot on his shoulder is the last refuge of the intellectually biased and mentally challenged.
They know they are anuses, but it's anything to crave attention.......
cynic
- 03 Feb 2011 12:30
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he doesn't .... suspect his comment may have been intentionally silly anyway
Fred1new
- 03 Feb 2011 13:28
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Cynic, Thank you for your thought.
I wonder what the various Israeli embassies were up to over the last 10 days.
cynic
- 03 Feb 2011 13:29
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playing golf!
yuff
- 03 Feb 2011 18:35
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If this is what the Egyptians do to each other, what chance would Israel have if the Arabs ever got a foorhold??
Savages and its all played out in front of the worlds media.
Fred1new
- 03 Feb 2011 18:47
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Yuff.
Are you referring to the phosphorus bombing of Gaza?
Fred1new
- 03 Feb 2011 18:53
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Perhaps, it is the friends of Hosni defending him. I believe Mubarak is said to be a good friend of the Israeli leadership.
The anti Mubarak demonstration for 3-4 days was relatively good natured until the Pro-Mubarak thugs arrived.
Haystack
- 03 Feb 2011 19:03
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The savages in Egypt seem to be the paid thugs on the President's side and the police. The pro decmocracy protestors were not being violent prior to their attack yesterday and are just defending themselves.
When the anti president protestors catch one of the thugs they are intrerrogating them and taking their IDs' and keeping them in a a makeshift jail. In Egypt you have to carry an ID.
The interesting thing is that the very same ID's that were previously used by the police to round up dissenters has been their undoing. The IDs have a section that specifies the holders profession. Of course the thugs have IDs that say POLICE and the protestors are shoing off big bundled of these!
cynic
- 03 Feb 2011 22:00
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what a grim, bleak and dispiriting programme
sniffer
- 04 Feb 2011 07:17
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I take it you are referring to Theroux.
A pox on all religions. How belief in a sky fairy can lead to such atrocities(on both sides) baffles me.