Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Excuse my ignorance don't know anything about self employment , just remember someone I new said that I paid more tax in one month than he paid all year . So they get help these people to wreck our economy .

Romania and Bulgaria are in the EU since 2007 and their citizens can get NI numbers. There is nothing wrong with that. They have virtually the same rights as UK citizens.

A quote from that Telegraph article...From Migrationwatch UK


Sir Andrew Green, Chairman of Migrationwatch UK, said "This clearly indicates that a significant number of Romanians and Bulgarians have avoided the restrictions placed on them in recent years.

This has not only allowed them to work here but has given them full access to the welfare state"

They were joined as members in 2007, but they were supposed to be restricted in coming to the UK until 2014 i believe....

So you're wrong once again...

From the start of 2014 there were no restrictions. Prior to that they could come and not work. They could also come before 2014 if they were picking fruit on a temporary basis or their employer sponsored them.

Until the start of 2014 Romanians and Bulgarians could come to work in Britain only if an employer had backed a visa, if they were self-employed or on a temporary basis to fill fruit-picking jobs or other agricultural work.

There was an article in the i newspaper today. It was about how the balance is shifting towards the in result. The highest votes for staying in are from Scotland at 62%. London is 56% for staying in the EU.

So, Scootland and Londonistan vote in, do the polls ever ask anyone outside these two fairyland areas what they think?

Must be getting desperate now. England football team to be banned from Euros if vote out. Telegraph. They can stick the tournament up their arses for me! Pathetic!

Yes it might do them a favour in the long run...LOL

Nowt to worry about, i'm sure it'l be sorted by the 2nd of APRIL!

Are you joking Chris ?

Daily Telegraph jimmy, sick April Fools eh? :0)

Oh yes Duh ! forgot the date .

Peter Foster, europe editor
1 APRIL 2016 • 12:01AM
England’s hope of winning the Euro 2016 football championships were thrown into turmoil last night after it emerged that French and German Uefa officials were poised to file a legal petition suspending England from the competition if Britain votes to leave Europe on June 23.

The motion, which would also impact Wales and Northern Ireland if they clear the group stages, would cast the three home nations into a legal limbo just days before the start of the Round of 16 on June 25.

“Solidarity is a core principle in Europe, and this is true in the great game of football no less than trade or politics,” said Jurgen Loos, the former German central midfielder who is spearheading the Franco-German proposal, “If Britain leaves, then we should be clear: ‘out’ means ‘out’.”

Draft legal documents seen by The Telegraph – which are due to be submitted no later than April 1 - also set out contingencies for dealing with angry English fans whose Euro 2016 tickets and EU passports will be automatically invalidated when UK-EU borders slam shut at 00.01 on June 24 in the event of Brexit.

Yuro Baloni, spokesman at Uefa headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland, declined to comment until the petition had been formally filed, but sources said that the plan had gathered sudden momentum after England’s stunning 3-2 win over Germany in Berlin last weekend.

The Franco-German proposals drew a furious reaction from pro-Leave campaign groups such as ‘Leave Go’, the group that has now overtaken ‘Vote Go’ and ‘Grassroots Boots’ as the organisation most likely to be designated to lead the Brexit campaign by the Electoral Commission in the coming days.

“This is yet another shameless attempt to rig this referendum,” the group said, “It is now clear that voting to ‘Leave Go’ of Europe on June 23 is the only way to ensure England wins back the World Cup in 2018.”

Football has shown in the past its power to swing UK election results: Britain’s shock quarter-final loss to West German at the 1970 World Cup was widely blamed for Harold Wilson’s equally shock defeat at the general election four days later.

A spokesman for ‘Britain Bigger and Better in Europe’, the pro-Remain group, said the Uefa plan was a foretaste of the chaos Britain faced if it left the EU, adding that voters had been given yet another reason to “think very carefully” before stepping through the exit door.

“Anyone who thinks Uefa referees will treat any of the home nations kindly after a vote to ‘leave’ on June 23 is deluding themselves,” a spokesman added, “we’ll be shown the red card the first chance they get, guaranteeing German dominance for years to come.”

A good reason for staying in the EU.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a8da356a-f753-11e5-96db-fc683b5e52db.html

March 31, 2016 7:46 pm

EU states point finger over Tata and anti-dumping tariffs


Britain blocked attempts to strengthen EU trade defences against imports of cheap Chinese steel that have devastated Tata’s operations in the UK, according to senior European officials.

French and Italian officials said Britain had led opposition to an overhaul of anti-dumping rules that could have helped raise retaliatory tariffs in the EU to the tough level seen in the US.

The head of the European Steel Association, which represents every steelmaker on the continent, also said Britain had thwarted attempts to shut out cheap steel from China.


“The UK is the ringleader in a blocking minority of member states that is preventing a European Commission proposal on the modernisation of Europe’s trade defence instruments,” Axel Eggert told the Financial Times.


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I wonder why?

Just because camoron and the rest of his Pro europhiles stimmied the possible raising of anti dumping Tariffs on Chinese steel exports, Does not justify a reason for staying in the eu....

Far from it, it means getting rid of the incompetent and turncoat that camoron is to the UK, not that the opposition option is anything to be optimistic about ...

If we didn't give 11 billion pounds NET to the EU it could've went to subsidising the industry until it improved, and being out of the eu, we would'nt have to go begging to Brussels...

And it all seems slightly strange that all of a sudden, they try to make out that the uk has some input on decision making, when on more then 70 occasions when the uk tried to object or support something they have lost on EVERY occasion..

That 11billion seems to be covering all the cracks.

UK's input does seem suspicious!

That 11billion seems to be covering all the cracks.

UK's input does seem suspicious!

I've got an idea , why don't they have a massive argument with the EU and threaten to leave , but that's too clever really to get something out of them .