This board has been a little to quiet for while.

Is it time that Bush and Blair who is a close friend and confidant of Bush were tried for War Crimes?

Do you think the use by the American Administrations of renditions are War Crimes and committed with full knowledge of American and British leaders ie. Blair and Bush and they are ultimately responsible?

Also in the aftermath of the illegal invasion of Iraq are should their action seen to be as the provocation for the rising toll of British, American and Iraqi deaths.

As a result of the military intervention in Iraq do you think you are safer in Britain to-day?

Do you think one should expect government leaders and ministers who have been responsible for massive foreseeable casualties should visit the hospitals to meet the casualties they have produced directly or indirectly by their actions?

hey in answer to the question the thread... NO

Blair should fight to the end, even if he takes us with him..

we cant let these things continue, people dying for no reason at all.. all this wealth in this country and people starve or are inslaved, HSBC alone makes enought profit to feed countries several times over, but no one says anything.

Corporations massive profits should line the pockets of the poor, not make rich people even more richer..

You gonna kick it off by donating your shares to Oxfam, then???? ;-)

there should be a worldwide rule, if a company makes more than a 500,000,000 profit half should go to poverty. and there should also be a rule included, loopholes will be punishable by prison, i.e. of a company makes this profit but spends it on buying other companies then this should be treated as an offence

I said corporations not me

Destroying capitalism never fed anyone.
Ask the inhabitants of Russia, Zimbabwe, China, the old eastern bloc....................

LOL

A new economic system even worse than communism!

not alot you can say really...the picture says it ...welcome to reality!

HEWITT. JUST GOES SHOW YOU DONT GIVE DAMN ABOUT THOSE THAT SUFFER, PROFITS OF IN EXCESS OF 500,0000,000 OF WHICH 50% COULD GO TO POVERTY WOULD NOT DESTROY CAPITALISM AT ALL.

If i had 500 mil ,id buy one of these .

I prefer this



The biggest private yacht -owned by the Saudis

motor yacht PRINCE ABDUL AZIZ
Shipyard HELSINGOR VAERFT
Built 1984
L.O.A. (length over all) 145 m
Beam 18 m
Draught 4.9 m
Cruising speed 22 kts
Number of Crew 65

and why on earth would you want that for... waiste of money, I seriously hope st. peter does gard the gates, and does not let people in that think like that

Selfish

Frankly i am glad hitler did not exist in this generation, cause you lot would be useless, thank god our grandparents were not greedy and thought of others, cause you lot would only think of yourselves, you lot would just run away and say its mine all mine.... sod the rest

Dam it Haystack , you seem to be considerably richer than me .

al - what good do think has come from this for the iragi people??? there is no law and order, hospitals, museaums, schools, houses of religion etc etc have been lost, bombed, ruined, damaged for ever. There is little law and order, hospitals are close to stand still, (with little left) the armies (us, gb and iragi) and the iragi people are murdering each other at will. People are scared to go out doors and equally scared inside, cant visit and look after relatives, people living agony, limbs missing, dying slowly and quickly. Exactly who has benefitted from this. Saddam effected the lives of hundreds maybe thousands, this as effected millions. Like i have said before, many on here and everywhere show little empathy or sympathy with the plight of many decent people. I am convinced that many brits dont give two hoots about this foriegn race a million miles from where we live. Its time the cameras went in there 2 hours every day and show on telly at 6 o'oclock in the evening the reality of this evasion. and like my gran used to say ''what goes around comes around'' Cannot for the life me see why we spent billions on this crazy war. If the oil installions we're setting up by the west are under constant threat if not attack.

Just need a few of these sunbathing on deck .. katcenker ,i'm not completely selfish ,i give to the Sally Army every year ,and the foot and mouth painting artists, (people who create xmas cards with no limbs .

By the way she's not one of them .

oh, i think her suntan might just put a few off.

Kivver behave ,,, i think i better get off this thread as i don't have much to add , where Alan when you need him .

me behave, lol, a very serious thread and you just post half naked women (very nice though)

I'll try and stick to the NOWT thread :-)

Missing the point, kivver.
All the terrible things you talk about exist. there is no denying that. But it was equally bad before. Ask the shi'ites and Kurds. If you don't believe them, ask the Arab neighbours who despised the way the Iraqis were treated, but put their faith in Allah to solve it all.
The real point is that there is now an end in sight that was never there before. Saddam and his evil regime are gone. This is a good thing. honest. It will be replaced by a government of the people, through democracy and iraq will rise from its own ashes.
This will take time. Generations of people who have known nothing other than the rule of brutality will use brutality to their own ends, but this will die away.
Nobody has ever said that war was a nice solution, or an easy one, but it was a necessary one and possibly the only one (maybe Fred has a suggestion on how things could have been done differently but he has failed to tell us what it is yet, even though i keep asking).
What every single opponent of the war has failed to do is to enlighten the rest of us how inaction would have made life better for the Iraqis who were made to drink petrol before being shot by hussein junior, so they would explode (he's a card isn't he?). or for the Kurds who were gassed because they disagreed. Or the political opponents who were shot. or the villagers who were massacred en masse because Saddam thought someone there was plotting against him.
How the rest of the world could believe a leader who kept saying "We aint got no WMD, honest Guv", while threatening to use them and acting furtively every time the UN came to check. How the UN could ever have any influence if every dodgy regime in the world had watched while Saddam did whatever the hell he liked as the UN fell out with itself.
The stock response goes along the lines of either "It's not very nice to kill people", or "Bloody yanks, who are they to throw their weight around. they're not perfect themselves".
The responses are tedious. Killing people is a last resort, but alas a necessary one sometimes in the real world. The whole Iraq debate has descended from sensible discussion to a flag for those who dislike the USA and/or tony Blairs premiership to march under. You know I have a deep seated hatred of the USA. I also have one or two problems with TB. But I do not confuse the issues with what should or should not have happened in Iraq. Nor do i criticise the judgement of others when i am unable to offer a better alternative.
Katcenka. If you study the world capitalist model you will be aware that your suggestion would lead to either margins being forced to increase fourfold to make up the losses, leading to rampant inflation and mass unemployment or a complete reversal of the idea of investing money in business as the returns became less attractive. The first would lead countries like ours to the brink of bankruptcy, leaving us unable to offer foreign aid. the second would lead to less and less efficient industry and eventually the collapse of capitalism as all the worlds wealth was withdrawn from production and wealth creation.
As I said. You start by handing your investments over to Oxfam. I think you will find they already have a massive stock portfolio, including HSBC, and they know a bit more about how to solve global poverty than you or I.
Alan