Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Very good, but Miliband's party seems to be doing a little better.

Recall Attlee's popularity and being elected.

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Update - Labour lead at 6
Update - Labour lead at 6
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Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 20th June - Con 32%, Lab 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 14%; APP -25

if DM were labour leader instead of his plasticine buffoon brother, then i suspect the poll lead would have been in comfortable double figures
as it is, labour will do well even to limp over the line as the largest party

Thats what you think.

electionista @electionista ·
UK - YouGov/Sunday Times poll:

LAB 38%
CON 32%
UKIP 14%
LDEM 8%
GR

UK - Opinium/Observer poll:

LAB 35%
CON 31%
UKIP 17%
LDEM 7%
GRN 5%

electionista @electionista · Jun 20
UK - TNS BMRB poll:

LAB 35%
CON 29%
UKIP 23%
LDEM 6%

Manuel,

Typical of a superficial con party voter who go for the packaging and not the content.

Be precise what is it about his features which help you to make your opinion.


At least he is thinking about policies and further than the end of his nose, while Wavy Dave and his motley crew are grasping at straws and sinking fast and waiting to pronounce on their next U-turn.

Even their advisers have given up on Dave the Wonder Dog!


"On the account of Dominic Cummings, adviser and close friend of Michael Gove, the current prime minister is a bumbler surrounded by incompetents and sycophants. Borrowing from what Bismarck said about Napoleon III, Mr Cummings damns David Cameron as "a sphinx without a riddle""


The newspapers have bought Cameron and running a smear campaign to try ans keep him on the lead.

Even the the Junket is laughing at the Eton Mess!

deride as much as you like, for that is your only ability and song sheet

as a dedicated non-voter, i suppose it should come as no surprise that you completely fail to understand that in modern politics you need public presentation and television presence; policies and aims and targets on their own are not remotely enough to carry the day ..... hence, ronnie reagan was brilliant (brainless, but tremendous in front of the camera) whereas alex douglas-home would have been a disaster though i believe a very good statesman and politician

EM comes across as a complete muppet as is shown by the public's perception of him
DM had presence and would have carried public confidence with him

the problem of course was that the unions felt they could manipulate EM but not his brother, so put their considerable weight behind the wrong horse and have found it is actually a donkey

Manuel,

I can see why the con party appeals to you!

Similar in nature to the flash harries of the present day leadership!

Douglas-Home should have stuck to cricket!

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But remember Attlee wasn't chosen for his good looks, or charm, but because he had policies which appealed to the voters and they thought he and his party would delivered them.

Which they did.

More importantly they took a long term look at what was needed and planned towards those needs.


Cameron and his crew are being seen to be hollow and more concerned with poncing around on a stage than delivering thought out policies.

Like you they probably can't see to the end of their noses.

They are in it for their own glory! Laughable.

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W/see.

in attlee's day, television was in its infancy and public presentation was unheard of ..... try moving forward several decades; you're a risible dinosaur, totally and utterly out of touch with the reality of today

anyway, you might even like trying trying to put a X on a ballot paper one day instead of just telling everyone else what a bunch of idiots they are for voting in whoever it happens to be

Manuel,

You remind me of days gone and outdated ideology and beliefs.

However, perhaps, even an idiotic yobbo like yourself could improve, even though it would probably need putting a ring through your nose.

Unless, of course, you already had one inserted.

Get back to your proper job in the kitchen!

We keep getting these attacks on Ed Milliband but he still maintains a 5 to 6 point lead which would give Labour an overal majority.

Just what dont you get Cynic?????????????

Do you not understand statistics???????

Can you not see the Conservative party as a party of the past.

You cannot even see that the Tories failed to get elected against Brown.

With Ed Milliband in control even though he is not liked as much as he should be the labour party will take the next election with an overal majority and then the Tories are a party of History because of their ageing followers.

Just accept it and get used to being in the wilderness.

I even predict like Fred in 11 years you wont be turning up to vote as it just wont be worth it for Tory supporters.

This was posted on the other board by someone who actually lives and works in Germany (afaik) Sums up the position nicely imo.



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As predicted after the Euro elections, the EU's Social Democrat group have agreed to the predicted stitch up and will be supporting Juncker, following a meeting yesterday hosted by Holland in Paris.

Juncker now has an overall majority of voting member heads of state, not just the Christian Democrats who nominated him. The social democrat Schultz will get his choice of second job, probably as president of the Euro Parliament.

In many ways this should not be a surprise. When you have a currency union, its needs will take priority over the wider EU structure, so the 'two speed Europe' is now in action - Eurozone and the rest. We shouldn't be surprised that the Eurozone is pre-eminent. If the UK had the Euro, a UK gov would take the same position.

The last few weeks for Cameron have been a clear example of the way Merkel works. She will take a position, then talk, listen to other people's arguments, then weigh things up and do what she had decided in the first place.

UK should stop the pretence of having a place at the table and leave on terms comparable to the Turks, Norway and Switzerland, or even Israel, who all have access to the single market.



Toot sweet!

Spot on Max.

Here's the latest cracker from our talking shop host Gideon http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27969885

I watched Osborne's speech this morning about HS2/3. It was very good. We are lucky to have such an excellent Chancellor.

sticky - you may be right or you may be wrong, but assuredly if D instead of E had been labour leader, there'ld be a poll lead in double digits

much more importantly, if people vote for labour, then assuredly they will be voting to stay in eu AND will have to accept ever more interference and worse from brussels, and will have no further say in the matter

for myself, i'ld much rather eu terms were renegotiated as best as possible - perhaps there will be nothing meaningful put on the table - and then have a chance, along with the rest of the country to vote on the matter

There was an anti austerity march in Central London on Saturday. You wouldn't know from the media reporting. It seems to have been ignored by TV and press news. Not that many people turned up. Is this a sign that austerity has worked and has been seen to work.

Wonder why it was ignored by the media?

What has George and Wavy Dave promised them?

Why Egypt has been taken off the growing list of places I won't be visiting any time soon:

More at: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/78f3658a-faa5-11e3-8993-00144feab7de.html#ixzz35SqyUuJU

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Egypt jails Al Jazeera journalists for 7 years
By Claer Barrett in London and Heba Saleh in Cairo
Last updated: June 23, 2014 12:13 pm

Al Jazeera journalists (L-R) Peter Greste, Mohammed Fahmy and Baher Mohamed stand behind bars at a court in Cairo in this June 1, 2014 file photograph. An Egyptian judge sentenced three Al Jazeera journalists on June 23, 2014 to seven years in jail after finding them guilty on charges including helping a "terrorist organisation" by publishing lies. The three include Australian Greste, Al Jazeera's Kenya-based correspondent, and Canadian-Egyptian national Fahmy, bureau chief of Al Jazeera English. A third defendant, Egyptian producer Mohamed, received an additional three-year jail sentence on a separate charge involving possession of weapons.

Three journalists working for the Qatar-owned Al Jazeera news channel have been sentenced to seven years in jail in Egypt on terrorism-related charges, igniting international outrage over the guilty verdict and media restrictions in the country.
The journalists include Peter Greste, an award-winning Australian correspondent, and Mohamed Fadel Fahmy, Al Jazeera’s English channel Cairo bureau chief. Producer Baher Mohamed was given three additional years in prison on a separate charge. All three have been detained since December.

The three have denied the charges, including belonging to and aiding a terrorist organisation, as Cairo has branded the Muslim Brotherhood, and of “manipulating” images to suggest “there is a civil war that threatens to bring down the [Egyptian] state”.

Twenty people are on trial in connection with the case but only nine are in custody – the three journalists, five students and a charity worker. The journalists have said they do not know the other defendants and do not understand why they were being tried together. The remaining 12, which include other foreign journalists, are being tried in absentia.

“This is a devastating verdict for the men and their families, and a dark day for media freedom in Egypt, when journalists are being locked up and branded criminals or ‘terrorists’ simply for doing their job,” said Philip Luther, Amnesty International Middle East and north Africa director.

“The only reason these three men are in jail is because the Egyptian authorities don’t like what they have to say. They are prisoners of conscience and must be immediately and unconditionally released.”