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Jose Mourinho ducks Match of the Day question

Roberto Martinez: Chelsea players 'try to sway referees'

LOL! media and scouse - all vermin together eh Joe?

Ivanovic should have walked. Thug!

Many Evertonians myself included baffled by Martinez's loyalty to Barry in picking him every week, he's a liability. If Everton had attempted to play open attacking football against Chelsea they would have been slaughtered. Short memory Joe. The year Chelsea won the European Cup (fuck knows how) the game against Barcelona, Chelsea adopted the same defensive tactics against a superior team. I won't mention a certain player called John Terry that night eh! Mourinho's a whinging twat :0)

FA charge Everton and Chelsea but Ivanovic gets off scot-free
by Lyndon Lloyd | 12/02/2015 Comments (83) jump
The Football Association have announced that both Everton and Chelsea have been charged with failing to control their players in last night's match.
A statement on the governing body's website reads:

Both Chelsea and Everton have been charged by The FA for failing to ensure their players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion and/or refrained from provocative behaviour.
Players from both sides squared up to each other after Gareth Barry tripped Willian late in the 0-0 draw and Chelsea' Branislav Ivanovic was pictured with a forceful arm around the throat of James McCarthy as he held him back before pushing his head into the Irish international's face.

McCarthy was booked, along with Cesc Fabregas and Ramires, and Barry was shown a second yellow card for the infringement that sparked the incident.

Ivanovic escaped censure from referee Jonathan Moss and was involved in the lead-up to the Chelsea goal that came from the free kick once play resumed.

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Ralph Basnett
1 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:23:02 Total cop out. Punish the whole team and then Ivanovic won’t be singled out?
Brian Waring
2 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:25:08 I don’t understand how they can charge both teams, but in the same breath say that the player who kicked it all off, Ivanovic, will face no further punishment.
Nick Waters
3 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:24:11 FA now running scared of upsetting Mourinho. I hope the club contests it but I doubt it because it would be pointless as it’s not a question of which team offended most or of who started it.
As for no action against Ivanovic....just desperate stuff. Mac gets a yellow and Ivanovic not even that.

Brian Waring
4 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:31:30 The panel who look at the incidents say the Ivanovic ’butt’ would not have been worthy of a red card, what about when Ivanovic grabs McCarthy in a head lock, you can actually see McCarthy going red in the face.
Tony Waring
5 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:36:57 Bloody disgrace but what do you expect. Mourinho is untouchable.
Peter Gorman
6 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:43:03 Totally predictable stuff. Football is so ugly it is unreal.
Brian Waring
7 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:44:13 You could say all the crap Mourinho has come out with, conspiracy, agenda’s etc against Chelsea has worked a treat.
Steve Carse
8 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:50:33 Brian (7) it was certainly there in the ref’s subconscious in his booking of Besic for the first challenge of the game.
Mike Price
10 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:54:32 Mourinho’s played a blinder, that’s the first little dividend paid from his perfectly planned agenda.
Insult to injury to Everton, the best behaved bunch of honest nice boys in the league get charged with the dark arts masters.

It’s time this management, players and club grew up and started playing big boy rules. No one gives a flying one about poor, hard done to Everton.

Eric Holland
11 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:58:44 Total gobshites at the FA, shit scared of Mourinho. Duncan Ferguson went to prison for not much more.
Ian Burns
12 Posted 12/02/2015 at 17:57:40 Shithouse loudmouth scheming manager 3 points;
Well mannered, uncontroversial manager 0 points.

Which do you prefer?

Tony Draper
13 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:01:29 The FA Official website
Link
They chose the image, so what does that say about complete hypocrisy ?

Andy Cobham
14 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:11:19 It’s this kind of shite that is turning supporters off Football. Not only do we have to put up with the fact that we have inept referees who can’t seem to see what’s going on right in front of them, and often don’t seem to know the rules- after the event when it’s blatantly obvious who needs to be punished, they some how cock it up again.
I don’t want to believe that corruption is at the heart of this, but it really feels like that’s the case...and it makes me question whether I want to bother with footy anymore, especially when Everton seem to be on the end of more shitty decisions and injustices than just about anyone else.

Paul Chaloner
15 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:36:21 I agree with Andy 14. It’s hard not to believe there is corruption at work when the Sky4 consistently referee their own matches and get away with it. Moss one of those leaning most towards these clubs.
In an effort to avoid responsibility the FA charge both clubs. The more money in the game the more this will happen. It’s time we grew up and started being ’professional’ it’s what they seem to want.
Tom Evans
16 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:38:36 Spineless bastards running the game sucking up to the top clubs there for all to see.
Nothing less than what I had expected.
Brin Williams
17 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:44:55 This is exactly the sort of things that has turned me off football.
Kowtowing to the 'elite' and fuck the rest - and we 'Everton' will sit
back and let them walk all over us.

It makes me sick and but for the fact that I am an 'Evertonian' first and foremost I would not bother with any of them.

Fuck 'em all!!

Colin Glassar
18 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:57:43 Money talks and Chelsea have lots of it.
Phil Rodgers
19 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:54:40 An absolute disgrace. Football has gone to the fucking dogs. He is doing exactly what Ferguson used to do.
How many times this season have the opposition had a player charged retrospectively against us?

Carl Sanderson
20 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:57:06 That is beyond farce. Ivanovic locks his forearm across McCarthy's windpipe within 12 inches of the referee and gets away with it Scot-free. I'm surprised the FA haven't charged McCarthy retrospectively with walking on the blades of grass.
Oliver Molloy
21 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:54:43 Disgraceful decision by the FA,but are we really surprised.
How Ivanovic escapes TOTALLY is beyond me.
I hope it comes back to haunt them and Chelsea,for they have now opened a giant can of worms.
Basically I guess all players now know that you can grab an opposing player by the throat,put him in a headlock and stick your head into his head right in front of the referee who will do nothing!
You couldn't make this up.

Karl Jones
22 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:59:15 The FA are a bunch of idiots who preside over a multi-billion pound industry and employ unfit, weak willed and easily manipulated officials, whose inept decisions more often than not decide the outcome of PL matches.
This is another example of a decision which leads me to question whether they are being manipulated themselves by the mega rich clubs.
The most corrupt sport in the world.
Ian Jones
23 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:01:42 Interesting that the link to the FA site indicates that if the match officials didn't spot the original incident a panel of 3 decides.
Why was a panel needed in the first place. Can't believe the ref didn't see it. He seems to have a good view.

Tom Evans
24 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:02:51 Panel of three former elite referees my fucking arse . Since when have we had "elite" officials?
Self serving fucks the lot of them.
It has been a long time since I have been this wound up about such matters.
Colin Glassar
25 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:03:23 Nothing in football surprises me any more. The FA and Scudamore are beholden to the super rich clubs (Chelsea and the two Manchester teams) followed closely by their sentimental favourites; Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs. The rest of us just make up the numbers.
If these teams fail then, in their opinion, their brand fails and if their brand fails....... It's all about money to them and if that means turning a blind eye to cheating, gross misconduct, biased refereeing etc.....then so be it.
Commentators, pundits, journalists, sports presenters etc...are all part and parcel of this private club and they are their to ensure the status quo remains. Justice? Fair play? Equal rights? Respect? Forget it. This is a mafia, mob rule, oligarchy, plutocracy call it what you want it's a fucking disgrace but it's what we've got.
Carl Sanderson
26 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:08:04 Tom, I'm not wound up at all. It is so predictable that I'm not even angry.
What does rile me is tin-pot clubs like Chelsea and Man City being regarded as "big teams" on account of the fact that they have dropped the fucking lottery, and reaping the benefits from an obsequious media and cowed officials. (This morning's Daily Mirror referred to Willian's goal as "sensational", "stunning", etc. There was no mention of a deflection and no mention of Ivanovic.) Now that really rings my fucking bell.

Michael Winstanley
27 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:11:28 What a corrupt pile of shite.
Carl Sanderson
28 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:12:57 Colin Glassar, that is an excellent post. As long as the game keeps better bigger and richer, no-one will rock the boat.
Ross Edwards
29 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:11:00 Incompetent, clueless, idiotic, out of touch, self serving, dinosaurs who have proven once again that English football is being ruined by this clique.
'Elite' officials. Do me a favour. Refereeing this season has been atrocious and probably the worst I've ever seen. Mike Riley is an absolute joke and it's incredible that he is still in a job after presiding over the worst decline in refereeing ever in the Premier League.

The media are up Mourinho's backside and are in awe of this puppet master making them dance to his childish rhetoric. The FA have massively shit themselves over this 'campaign' rubbish he's been spouting and have done this.

Spineless decision by a group of useless dinosaurs who have no right to run our game whatsoever.

Barry Thompson
30 Posted 12/02/2015 at 18:50:19 How many of the referees currently officiating in the Premier League would you class as being anything other than shite. Week in and week out the bollocks dropped by these useless pricks are the main topic of the post match analysis. Jon Moss, regardless of his fuck ups last night has got to be one of the very worst. But hey, what can we expect when their boss is 'Old Mother Riley' another useless prick when he was officiating. Football is too big a business these days and the decisions, or should that be 'non decisions' made by these SKY 5 loving homers and bottle merchants can cost clubs dearly come the seasons end. I by the way, don't believe it all evens itself out.
Will Firstbrook
31 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:12:36 There was no way in hell the FA was going to provoke that Russian dog with the threat of another player suspension after the Costa. fiasco. Certainly not at the expense of a little Club like our's.
Like it or lump it, the end result was never in doubt. Weak willed officials, weak-willed governing body - it's a farce. Has been for some time an will continue to be as long as there is mega $$$ at stake.

Brett Jonathan
32 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:21:17 Mourinho really is a master at this media manipulation game. Concrete evidence showing Ivanovic stirring things up - covered from every angle, but Chelsea get off. Well done Jose.
One day we might have a manager who thinks there is more to a post-match press conference than telling every how awesome they are.

Kunal Desai
33 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:21:38 I think this is where people just give up on football. You don't see these sorts of shitty decisions from people who govern the sports of rugby and cricket. Football is going one way and more and more footballing fans and supporters will look for entertainment elsewhere.
Dean Adams
34 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:28:40 We have been told time and again that it is "intent" that is the trigger as to recieving a card or not. Just wonder how much intent you have to show. FA saying that Ivanovic incident did not merit a card! Just how far are they going to go with this incredible show of blatant cheating? Every year it gets worse. Some one has to make a stand or the game will turn into a fiasco, which is'nt far away.
Barry Thompson
35 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:27:54 Bottom line for me is that we are just too fucking nice. The antics and cheating from those chavvy bastards last night was a disgrace especially from that reprehensible pair of twats Terry and Ivanovic. How I wish we had someone in our team capable of snapping either of them two shithouses in half. Nice wins fuck all these days.
Mike Green
36 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:35:04 The worst part is it's so horribly believable. Tossers, one and all. Best not thinking about it too much to be honest.
Tom Evans
37 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:42:28 Echoing Barry#35, I am being swayed by the calls for us to start acting like twats and for some of our leading players to grow a pair and start facing up to the likes of that c**t Terry.
Gloves off now blue boys for fucks sake.
Carl Sanderson
38 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:43:56 Today's Grauniad basically said that Ivanovic had to be charged. It's easy to imagine the milquetoasts at the FA letting Ivanovic off just to spite the odd journalist who calls it as he sees it.
Carl Sanderson
39 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:47:24 Barry 35:
You are totally right. Terry, Gerrard, Flamini, Fabregas (what a twat he is) - they are all constantly in the refs' faces, all game in every game. It is psychological warfare and we are shit at it.

Oh for the days when Reid, Gray, van den Hauwe, Ratcliffe took no shit off anyone. Mind you, Sharp was a right moaning twat.

Paul Hewitt
40 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:50:37 No

Think the above sums it all up perfectly Joseph :0)

Rupert Sullivan
41 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:47:58 Really it shouldn't be a surprise...
1. If the FA charge Invanovic, that is akin to saying the ref was inept
2. If they say the ref was inept, that is akin to saying the FA fielded an inept ref
3. If the FA start criticising refs, then they cannot fine managers for doing the same
4. If the FA field rubbish refs, then they are rubbish, and all of that money they receive is not worth it

As well as all of this, this type of controversy is what keeps football in the newspapers, which keeps it in the public eye, which raises its profile - and on and on.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" - well, likewise the FA, they will never remove this sort of thing from the game for as long as it profits them for it to remain.

I for one cannot be bothered with it anymore

Barry Thompson
42 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:52:44 Carl @39, I know it is a ToffeeWeb cliché now, but I blame Moyes with all his - I won't have any of my players diving or cheating to gain an advantage bollocks
Rob Halligan
43 Posted 12/02/2015 at 19:51:51 As soon as Barry "committed" the foul last night, Fabregas, was jumping up and down like a fucking demented baboon waving his imaginary card. In the mean time, that useless twat Terry was sprinting 50 yards to shove his face in the refs face, practically demanding Barry sent off. This is what annoys me most, professionals trying to get another professional sent off. And since when has "a trip" on the halfway line right by the touchline, been a bookable offence? Once the melee had started, I couldn't see the Ivanovic/McCarthy incident. Having seen pictures later on though, Jon Moss is about 2 feet away looking at the Boston strangled choking McCarthy to death, and claims he never saw it!! It beggars belief, it really does, the mighty shall not be punished, no matter what!
Carl Sanderson
44 Posted 12/02/2015 at 20:01:40 Chelsea have been at it for years, though. I remember Gronkjaer getting one of ours sent off (Unsworth?) by some tool of a referee and Gallas getting Beattie sent off on another occasion.
Wayne Smyth
46 Posted 12/02/2015 at 20:06:10 Barry Thompson, I couldn't agree more.
I was more pissed off at our naive nicey-nicey attitude than I was with the loss. If McCarthy had hit the deck holding his throat when Ivanovich grabbed him, we could well have seen 2 reds and got a point, or more.

All the clubs that win things have the same win-at-all-costs mentality. As long as we continue to be fools who show respect to refs, don't dive or cheat we will be playing effectively a man down. For all the good things Moyes did, this was one of the things I hate most about his legacy.

The governing body will do fuck all about it. I heard Scudamore talking on the radio about the "show" a few days ago. It's not been sport for a long time, they want talking points and they want the usual suspects to win by any means possible so the media have their heroes to fawn over.

I missed a few :-

Actually footballing wise Everton were good - save for the fouling which quite often they didn't need to do.

A lot better than the other filth they share a city with

I hate the way Chelsea constantly cheat and get away with it even my mate who's a Chelsea fans hates it.

Dil, Most Chelsea followers I come across are invariably arrogant, which sort of mirrors the club in some ways.

So where's the outcry against Rooney's diving then ?

Silent are we now Dil?

Rooney is largely an irrelevance now Joe, against Burnley on Wed. he struggled to defend against Danny Ings (who he came into contact with in his deeper roll) and was duly booked for his incompetent tackling.

As an aside if Burnley had got to grips with their pathetic attempts at defending crosses, they would have at least drawn the match as they controlled the game at times and did miss chances.

Re Rooney----------Too many cheats in the game nowadays.
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How Chelsea became the most hated team in England
As the Blues replace Manchester United as every neutral’s worst enemy, Chris Moss considers how the west London team became this season’s “Special One”


By Chris Moss4:23PM GMT 17 Feb 2015CommentsComment
When I was little, in the era of Esso football coins and football cards, I wafted my fanhood through several teams, including Leeds, Liverpool and Chelsea. The first two were northern (as I am), and my brother supported Liverpool. Chelsea was the enigma.
At the time, Peter Osgood and Alan Hudson were flamboyant superstars, the team seemed glamorous (or at least far-off), and there was something about blue, too. The colour was definitely more important than the form, which was actually very patchy, and I even went as far as getting my mum to buy me a kit – just as Chelsea were relegated and went adrift from the mainstream of footballing ambition.
When Roman Abramovich bought Chelsea in 2003, he was picking up a fast-improving brand that had garnered several trophies under the leadership of Ruud Gullit, Gianluca Vialli and Claudio Ranieri. But the new Russian-owned Chelsea, with Mourinho as its key player, was soon set on a course that would see it become the most hated team in England. It's a title that surely will be cemented if the team is triumphant this season.
I only realised this when Chelsea robbed Everton of a draw last week. Willian's jammy goal in the 89th minute reminded me of all those Manchester United matches when they couldn't lose a game even if they wanted to, repeatedly snatching victories at the end of tight matches. I found myself cursing Chelsea in unprintable terms, and deeply enjoying the sensation of loathing them for their good fortune, their wealth, their talent and their undisputed status as winners. Assorted surveys confirm that I am not alone in despising Chelsea – but I knew anyway, in my guts.
How is it, I wondered, that teams become so detestable? And what does it take to become the number one club in the Premier League of Universal Loathing?

Chelsea, you’d think, were always ripe for becoming unpopular. It’s a geezers’ team from the wealthy west of London that has always looked down on neighbours QPR and Fulham. These days, no derby in the region balances Chelsea's hegemony. It also has a much-mythologised history as a hooligan team, widely viewed as a posh Millwall. The Football Factory – novel and film – is an illustration of how flagging teams can still get lots of media attention by attracting thugs, racists and nostalgic losers.
But Chelsea has other special features. It was the first English team to field an entirely foreign starting line-up, against Southampton on December 26, 1999. This was a watershed for the game, final proof that localism had been abandoned and that fans were not members of a club or anything quite so corny, but merely payees in a very one-sided contract.
The location of the club still matters, though in an entirely negative way. While small niches associate the word Chelsea with pensioners, or an arts club, or fashion, for most of us it just means filthy rich. While SW3 is not one of London’s most attractive neighbourhoods, it has had high rents for decades, and is home to enough corporate lawyers and workshy third-tier aristocrats to make it a no-go area for most commoners.
Stanford Bridge is in Fulham, but this part of West London as a whole is aspirational, full of expats and, at the same time, bland and uncultured. This setting makes Chelsea that little bit easier to dislike. Where the bloated, American-funded, Indonesia-touring money machine known as Manchester United was always able to be viewed as out of place in a city we like to think of post-industrial, left-leaning and a bit gritty, the slick, stylish, and slightly sinister modern Chelsea brand seems very much at home in its regenerated, factory-less, foreign-owned metropolis.


Chelsea tops the Premier League table when it comes to the average cost of a day out at £57.50 – the price of the cheapest match-day ticket, a programme, a pie and a cup of tea. The average is £37.44. Obtaining the same at Leicester City costs £27.50 – and you might get to see a brawl on the sidelines. With Costa, Fabregas, and Hazard each earning an estimated £200,000 a week, somebody has to pay.
Since Abramovich bought the club, the Premier League has seen a rash of foreign buyers of dubious provenance. The “Russian oligarch” has become a figure of almost comedic contempt. When we see Abramovich gurning from the upper stands, standing beside very beautiful Irina, or very beautiful Dasha, we see a billionaire Paul Daniels. But alone, Abramovich would only have been the butt of jokes; the former pig farmer and tyre retreader’s masterstroke was in employing a Portuguese manager who embodies a swaggering arrogance and a towering self-regard that even Siberia’s aluminium can’t buy.
Some football-focused critics take Mourinho to task for his negative play, his defensive strategies, a certain dullness in his approach. In truth, there’s nothing much wrong with what Jose Mourinho does; it is his manner that suits so sublimely the Chelsea we love to hate.
See how he 'fulfills' his post-match duties: not bothering to look at the camera, mumbling to himself grudgingly during interviews, then pronouncing on matches as if he were delivering the Sermon on the Mount. His players become demi-gods, while fans can be criticised for being too loud or referees for pertetuating imagined conspiracies. The whole performance is absolutely in keeping with being at the helm of this season’s evil team.

Meanwhile, Manchester United – everyone’s former pet hate – suddenly seem almost likeable. It sticks in my craw to admit it, but the Moyes debacle, the way Ferguson turned on the players to sell his book (who reciprocated by turning on him), the slippage from top to middling, Rooney’s passage towards football midlife, and the increasing irrelevance of David Beckham, means the club, while still sickeningly rich and utterly worthy of any residual hatred you may have left once you’re done with Chelsea, is a lot easier to ignore.
Don’t let nostalgia confuse you; these are the Chelsea years. Give your Old Trafford-abhorrence a rest.
Football has always been about hatred. According to Dr Andrew Livingstone of Exeter University’s school of psychology, “having an ‘enemy’ is very helpful in making sure we know who we are as a group – it can cement a shared identity with fellow fans, and provides a sense of purpose and focus for 'our' team.”
But football, he says, is special because it is an arena where hatred is accepted and even encouraged. Why, though, do a team’s achievements rankle so much?

“We see the success of a rival as ill-gotten, or unfairly achieved. Also, winners in football don't tend to win with good grace, and gloating and the rubbing-their-faces-in-it celebration of the winners are as much part of the game as the resentment of the losers.”
Before signing off, I should point out that I am an Everton fan (I went for blue, you see, combined with a dash of pure white). While researching Britain's most-hated teams, I learned that my club is a neutrals’ favourite. I suppose mediocrity, being an also-ran and a perennial “almost” team make everyone like you.
My favourite other clubs right now are Bradford City (the 4-2 surely not so much “a disgrace” as an ungracious low point for the Mourinho trademark) and, tonight at least, Paris Saint-Germain. I’m looking forward to a good night in, with a few tins and a few choice swear words.
But I’m not going to feel guilt or shame. According to Dr Livingstone, “I think the rivalries reveal something positive and profound – that even in a supposedly individualised society, we can still develop a powerful sense of belonging, identity and meaning through groups, and that when we do, we look to better ourselves and our group.
"Crucially, this can involve raging against and challenging the unfair (at least in our eyes) advantages of the successful. In short, our 'hatreds' are a window onto who we think we are, and where we think we are.”


Ten steps to becoming most hated club in England:
1. Win lots of tournaments and silverware.
2. Be coached by a handsome and successful manager who dresses well and struts his stuff like an unashamed alpha-male.
3. Be a global brand.
4. Be owned by a billionaire from a corrupt country – ideally Russia.
5. Be connected to a wealthy, faceless, amoral area of a wealthy, faceless, amoral city – ideally London.
6. Be successful – for a long time, and, crucially, right now.
7. Ensure some matches feature no native or local or poorly paid players.
8. Have a history of aggression and violence.
9. Be sponsored by a foreign company no one really knows – ideally Gazprom.
10. Lose ungraciously to low-ranking opposition

I think the PSG-Chelsea game ref is a photo addition to the screen !....(from another game)....a hologram of some sort...from Voyager...(please state the nature of the medical emergency).....

Film shows Chelsea fans in Paris Metro incident

A group of people can be heard singing: "We're racist, we're racist and that's the way we like it."

Yes. It isn't good to see video clips of Chelsea supporters behaving like that.

If they feel a need to include their support for Chelsea as being part of their pathetic public behaviour, then a suitable punishment ought to include a big fine on their club.

Here's the clip:

Interested to know if that lot would refuse treatment if they needed it in a Kings Cross type disaster if offered by a Black Man/Women?

Scum, I hope they are season ticket holders then the club can ban them for life.

The club has behaved impeccably - despite it being a handful of people at best and miles away from the ground. They immediately said they would aid the police and apply bans, but whose to know if they're regulars or hangers on for the day?

Former public schoolboy was one of the Chelsea fans on train of racist football thugs, claims Twitter friend

A good night of European football on the box tonight :-

6pm ITV4 Young Boys v Everton

8pm ITV Liverpool v Besiktas


I'll leave the Mrs to find out who killed Lucy :o)