Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10937868/European-Court-of-Human-Rights-upholds-French-burka-ban.html

European Court of Human Rights upholds French burka ban

France's controversial ban on face coverings does not infringe Muslim women's rights and is justified in interests of social cohesion, Strasbourg court finds

The European Court of Human Rights has upheld France's ban on wearing a burka or a niqab in public, ruling that the 2010 law on religious headgear does not breach Muslim women’s human rights.

The Strasbourg court ruled in the case brought by a devout French Muslim that there had been no violation of her right to respect for private and family life, no breach of her right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, and no breach of the prohibition of discrimination.

Yes, but a British ban would be racist.

The item was sent to me by a Turkish Muslim friend of mine. He hopes Turkey would bring in a ban as well. This Burka business is a Saudi thing to keep women under control.

"There are some of us people today around the place, who come from a different era," so a '60 or so years old' lady told me, whilst I was taking my dog for walk this afternoon.

She explained how she and her husband have returned to the UK after a few years out in Spain. Jokingly she told me, that after reading 'the Rolf Harris stuff' in the paper her husband is worried he might be up for getting his collar felt for all the bottoms he ever squeezed in the Spanish bars whilst they were out there. She reckons 'It was a lot different then.'

I reassured her that the 'Harris bottoms' mostly belonged to 13 yr old girls and the like. This isn't entirely true, I know, but I could see where she and her husband were coming from. Today's take on it does all seem a tad hypocritical to me. Drunkenness and louche hedonistic behaviour are rife, particularly of a late weekend night. Surely it cannot be that side of society, which is condemning Harris? No it just cannot be.

I am quite sure Rolf Harris was a 'bad 'un' and deserves everything he is going to get at the end of this week.

But I am confused - just like the lady (and her husband) from this afternoon.

This Burka business is a Saudi thing to keep women under control.

absolute twaddle!

What's happened to the football thread ?....best world cup since 1974 in my opinion....lucky Brazil and Argentina...

Yes, it is twaddle.


The burka is a universal method of keeping wimmin down.

It also helps with the mufti's absolute fear of comparison.

Nobody interested in football then ?....

Bravo Goldfinger-Carson....

Saudi Arabian cleric declares babies should wear burkas

A Saudi cleric's declaration that babies should wear burkas to protect them from sexual attacks has drawn widespread criticism.

I feel sorry for women forced to wear the burka in order to placate their religion or others.

I feel sorry for them wrapped up on a hot day parading after a likely clad partner.

I think it is b. stupid, but feel, if it is voluntary, that it is their right to do so, unless it covering up "criminal activity". This problem could be circumvented in different ways.

But, I also find it offensive to see little boys dress up in the Etonian garb. They all look alike.

But they have a perfect right to look like penguins, or the women wearing the burka to advertise their beliefs or culture.

(Don’t like Nuns’ habits.)

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43066 - it's not really that either, though it is indeed a cultural thing

the Koran says that women should be dressed decorously, but it is the husband's choice as to what that constitutes

while the hijab (head covering) and chador (gown)is pretty much universal in muslim countries, the niqab - the veil - is nearly always the husband's choice or at least that of the society in which he moves

I think the descriptive words and interpretation are correct, but am happy to be told otherwise by those who truly know

Haze,

You must be grateful for the Saudi Cleric existing.


It shows that there is somebody dafter than you!

Cynic,

I will ask my wife.

She truly knows everything.


Must go now before this is read!

rf - football thread, if you can't take a joke foxtrot oscar you old maid!

Wierd Stuff

Tracey Emin's Bed is sold at auction for over £2.5m

Hundreds pack Christie's auction house in central London for sale of 1998 installation that documents relationship breakdown


Hannah Ellis-Petersen


The Guardian, Tuesday 1 July 2014 22.43 BST



Emin next to her installation My Bed: she described the sale as 'the end of an era'. Photograph: Niklas Hall'en/AFP/Getty Images




Tracey Emin's installation, My Bed, which documents the artist's traumatic relationship breakdown, sold for £2.54m at Christie's auction on Tuesday.

One of Britain's most famous and polarising pieces of modern art, My Bed was made in Emin's Waterloo council flat in 1998. Referred to by the artist as an unconventional and uncompromising self-portrait though objects, it features the artist's own bed covered in stained sheets, discarded condoms, blood-stained underwear and empty bottles of alcohol.

The Turner-nominated artwork was first purchased by Charles Saatchi in 2000 for just £150,000. On the market for the first time, My Bed was put up for sale as part of Christie's Post-War and Contemporary Art sale, which also included works by Francis Bacon, Peter Doig, Andy Warhol and Jackson Pollock.

Hundreds crammed into the Christie's auction house in St James's in central London, including Emin herself, to watch and take part in the historic sale, with the auction house estimating her work would sell for up to £1.2m.


more smelly shit here:http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/jul/01/tracey-emin-my-bed-sale-auction

Is it art?

Cleggy reverts to type...must be on a nice promise from brussels




Nick Clegg defeats Lib Dem bid to guarantee EU referendum

Deputy prime minister's victory means party will stand by its current policy, to hold a referendum only if UK loses sovereignty



Nicholas Watt, chief political correspondent


theguardian.com, Tuesday 1 July 2014 22.34 BST





Nick Clegg has defeated an attempt by senior Liberal Democrats to match the Tories by guaranteeing to hold a "seductive" referendum on Britain's EU membership in the next parliament. The deputy prime minister, who has faced direct calls from ministers for a change of stance on the EU, won the agreement of the Lib Dem parliamentary party to stand by the current policy. This is to hold a referendum only if UK sovereignty is passed to the EU. The Tories would go further by guaranteeing an in/out referendum on Britain's EU membership in 2017 regardless of the result of negotiations on the future of the EU.

Clegg defeated an attempt by senior party figures to guarantee a referendum in the party's general election manifesto. Tim Farron, the party president, and Simon Hughes, the former Lib Dem deputy leader and justice minister, have spoken in favour of a referendum. Calls for a referendum increased after the Lib Dems saw the party's crop of elected MEPs crash from ten to one in last month's European parliamentary elections.



more: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/01/clegg-lib-dems-no-in-out-referendum-eu