Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

I think things will be fine longer term, but I expect the UK to have serious problems shorter term. Overall I am happy to be out of the EU. Public perception may change if we go into a recession and unemployment rises. Then you could expect increasing calls for us to stay in the EU. The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid.

TORY LEADERSHIP

last two

Theresa v Andrea

Michael ( the backstabber ) got his "comeuppance "

And he is such a likeable fellow.

I have a suspicion of what may happen over the next year.

Imagine a recession about the end of this year. We haven't activated Article 50 yet. Unemployment is rising, the pound drops further, the stock market falls, home prices fall (there is already a downturn in numbers of house sales now). Opinions polls show a clear majority for staying in the EU, maybe 60/40

The government speaks to the EU. It announces that due to economic conditions, Article 50 will not be activated for the foreseeable future. Opinion polls how strong support for government stance.

There is some movement towards UKIP, but it is mainly Labour voters as it was the poorest areas that voted Leave. After a couple of years a new referendum is held giving 62/38 in favour of Remain.

Lay off the Budweiser Hays, you're starting to hallucinate.

Which is the plan all along...talk about transparent: That's you btw Haystack (closet remainian)

certainly the coming months are going to be very interesting indeed, though much of it will happen well hidden from view
there is no doubt that plutocrats in brussels are now shitting themselves lest the whole pack of cards starts collapsing
how they prevent this without losing too much face (by caving in to uk demands?) will be fascinating to watch

Text from Michael Gove: "Well, that didn't go entirely to plan" #idiot

— Elizabeth Windsor (@Queen_UK) 7 July 2016

Haystack - 07 Jul 2016 15:14 - 4324 of 4331

The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid.
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Haystack you really are arrogant , were you bullied at school ?

Centrist Tory MPs will now fear that the party’s activists, who have the final say on who will be their next leader and the country’s next prime minister, will prefer the outspoken Leadsom to May, whose long stint at the Home Office means she is considered a safe pair of hands.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/07/theresa-may-andrea-leadsom-tory-leader-prime-minister

either one could prove to be a strong pm (in direct contrast to "the lettuce" aka jc) and the loser should assuredly have a key role in the next cabinet

both will bring something something positive to the table, but both equally have their weaknesses

"The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid."

I have seen little evidence of the public not being fickle and certainly not intelligent. You only have to look at the popularity of UKIP. They flourish in areas of poor education and high stupidity. That is not to say all UKIP supporters are stupid. Some are just misguided.

Haystacks way of making friends and influencing people:


Assert that they are:


1. Fickle

2. Poorly educated

3. Not intelligent

4. Highly stupid

5. Misguided

..That will do for now: (ed)............................................


Now look here all you oiks, vote monster raving Haystack party, you know it makes sense!

:-)

Apart from that, he's alright really.

The bigger the boom the bigger the bust. About the same timeframe as 2007 with even more debt if that was possible in housing,

MaxK
I didn't say that all UKIPers were like that or even some UKIP supporters on here were either. There are exceptions though, such as Tanker.

You didn't say this?



Haystack - 07 Jul 2016 18:44 - 4335 of 4339

"The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid."

I have seen little evidence of the public not being fickle and certainly not intelligent.

You get an average view with the public and the average is always wrong.

There is no need to treat people like that , sometimes people who you look down on surprise you ,i learnt to never underestimate anyone until they prove them self stupid.

I am not looking down on anyone. You are right, people often do surprise you but in general they don't and are more likely to disappoint.