Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Haystack - 07 Jul 2016 15:14 - 4324 of 4331

The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid.
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Haystack you really are arrogant , were you bullied at school ?

Centrist Tory MPs will now fear that the party’s activists, who have the final say on who will be their next leader and the country’s next prime minister, will prefer the outspoken Leadsom to May, whose long stint at the Home Office means she is considered a safe pair of hands.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/07/theresa-may-andrea-leadsom-tory-leader-prime-minister

either one could prove to be a strong pm (in direct contrast to "the lettuce" aka jc) and the loser should assuredly have a key role in the next cabinet

both will bring something something positive to the table, but both equally have their weaknesses

"The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid."

I have seen little evidence of the public not being fickle and certainly not intelligent. You only have to look at the popularity of UKIP. They flourish in areas of poor education and high stupidity. That is not to say all UKIP supporters are stupid. Some are just misguided.

Haystacks way of making friends and influencing people:


Assert that they are:


1. Fickle

2. Poorly educated

3. Not intelligent

4. Highly stupid

5. Misguided

..That will do for now: (ed)............................................


Now look here all you oiks, vote monster raving Haystack party, you know it makes sense!

:-)

Apart from that, he's alright really.

The bigger the boom the bigger the bust. About the same timeframe as 2007 with even more debt if that was possible in housing,

MaxK
I didn't say that all UKIPers were like that or even some UKIP supporters on here were either. There are exceptions though, such as Tanker.

You didn't say this?



Haystack - 07 Jul 2016 18:44 - 4335 of 4339

"The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid."

I have seen little evidence of the public not being fickle and certainly not intelligent.

You get an average view with the public and the average is always wrong.

There is no need to treat people like that , sometimes people who you look down on surprise you ,i learnt to never underestimate anyone until they prove them self stupid.

I am not looking down on anyone. You are right, people often do surprise you but in general they don't and are more likely to disappoint.

This conservative election : it's alright I suppose...but it is deviating away from the referendum result.....basically we are heading for brexit...euhh..not brexit....but remain looking like brexit......I can just see this happening.....not surprising as Britain is a country that gives all the appearances of a democratic free country but.....isn't one ......usual stuff on tv.....politicians.....tragedies...football.....ohhh.....forgot about when the illegal immigrants should be repatriated /expelled soon and when......repatriation...crack down on drug dealers....fraudsters....that news is conveniently brushed under the carpet....and they talk about the Russians/Soviet union......it's worse here because it's like...if you raise these issues : you are the bad boy/black sheep...you see : the television companies/news media want bums on seats....for advertising etc..so the wrong doings/corruption is not going to be part of it....; they will go a little way...just to keep up appearances as so speak...but won't rock the boat ; end of month....keep the elite happy is what they want....

I applied for a tour of the Palace of Westminster some time ago through my local MP.

When the date of the 11th of July came through I was a little disappointed as I thought all the fun and games of the referendum would be done and dusted. However how little did I know what would happen.

I wonder if they will let us see the mortuary where they keep the bodies from the deaths of great political careers. Watching Blair recently he reminded me of the mummified corpse of an Egyptian Pharaoh with his skin stretched tightly over a bony skull. What stress can do!

He's aged a bit...

I think Haystack likes playing games with this board , it's where he gets his kicks .

More to the point VIC i think he exposes himself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36740602

The boss of John Lewis has warned that the fall in the value of the pound could become a "big issue".
Managing director Andy Street said the weak pound could start driving costs higher next year.
He also said it was too early to say if the UK's vote to leave the European Union had affected consumer spending.
His comments came as a survey pointed to the sharpest drop in consumer confidence in 21 years after the UK vote to leave the EU.
Market research firm GfK surveyed 2,000 people after the referendum.
Its confidence index fell by eight points to minus nine, a drop not since seen December 1994.
Consumer confidence and spending are measures watched by the Bank of England when deciding its next move on interest rates. Governor Mark Carney has already warned the UK's economic outlook is "challenging" following the decision to leave the EU.
The GfK survey, which was conducted online, suggested that 60% of consumers expect the general economic situation to worsen over the next year, compared with 46% in June. Just 20% expect it to improve, down from 27% last month.

Conservative MPs will get a “wake-up call” from party members when they discover the extent of support for Andrea Leadsom, the head of the voluntary party has said.

The news came as it emerged that the Tory party’s membership has swelled in size since David Cameron quit, with 10,000 new members joining in the four days after his resignation.

Steve Bell, the president of the Conservative Party’s National Convention which represents the party’s voluntary associations, said he was “expecting” Mrs Leadsom to win.

That will put some faces out of joint if it comes to pass.

She may need a vote of confidence at some time.