Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

MR Charts. Have edited.

Time will tell.

When International Humanitarian Agencies condemn Israels actions I tend to respect their opinions, unlike some of the rants on this thread!

Fred - International Humanitarian Agencies always condemn when there is conflict and people are getting killed. It's the nature of the beast.

Fred post 427 "Israels attempt to wipe out its Palestinian problem is synonymous with the Nazi action against the Jews."
Fred - proclamations such as this show you for what you really are.

The jews were not physically attacking Nazi Germany
The jews were not terrorising or threatening the people of Nazi Germany
The jews were not disputing borders with Nazi Germany

And to claim Israel's action in Gaza (warnings prior to bombing raids, provision of hospital facilities for injured, humanitarian ceasefires, provision of aid etc etc) is in any way similar to Nazi Germany's action of rounding up jews for deportation to work and death camps - that's just sick.

You disgust me Fred. You really do.

The majority of Palestinians were not attacking Israel.
The majority of Palestinians were not terrorising Israel.
The majority of Palestinians are being abused by Israel by ignoring UN resolutions regarding their territory.

Look at the News film programs of the wholesale carnage in to Gaza, look at the number of civilians and children kill (murdered) by the Israelis..

Proportionate. I think you need to look up the meaning of the word.

Gausie, as far as disgusting you. I am happy to be doing so. If I agreed with you I would be disgusted with myself.

I will await United Nations investigation into Israels behaviour.

I have not read many posts in this thread but as far as I am concerned its very simple.

What country on earth would not respond if an adjoining territory was firing rockets indiscriminately into its territory?

There is much I don't like about Israel but it has always made it clear that it will respond to attack and it has proved time after time that it responds with huge (and arguably excessive) force.

Would Israel have invaded if Hamas had not fired the rockets? I very much doubt it.

Fred, which 'news film programs' do you glean all of your information from?

edit - are you really so short sighted to believe that, as you claim, all those children were murdered by the Israelis?

Your hatred of the Jews is now clear for all to see. As I said before, I am not jewish and I have no real interest other than balanced debate. You shock and disappoint me.

Yes, the mask has been slipping for a long time.

sivad,
Beautifully said, Sir.
The best post on the thread by far.
Is it a paste or your original work?
Richard

I'm beginning to think Fred is not even Welsh!

Raw, I have no hatred of Jews and have had numerous Jewish friends. I also pointed out before that and worked with a Jew for over 20years. We got on very well.

I think that there are many "Jews", inside and outside Israel, condemning ISRAEL's recent actions.

I object to abuse of power and the abuse of any defined group by another group.

It is a little like the "school yard" bully mentality being shown by many on different threads.

Ie. attack the messenger and forget the message.

Fred, you make a very interesting point here:
'I object to abuse of power and the abuse of any defined group by another group.'

Have you thought about the abuse of power whereby Hamas are abusing an innocent civilian population for their own ends - leading to the deaths of many.

Everything is relative. You consider Israel to be the bully and you may be partially right. However, I consider Hamas to be the bully from where the problems stem. Without the actions of Hamas, Israel may not have taken the action it did.

I have been talking to a Jewish friend of mine this morning and he confirmed what I noticed with this particular battle - the governments that matter (i.e. the local arab governments & america etc. have remained very quiet and have not been Israel bashing like the UN. I find that particularily interesting. Indeed, Egypt warned Hamas they were asking for trouble. I think some of these countries have woken up to the fact that they all have extremist muslim factions at home and are starting to worry.

Likewise, Sarkozy and Merkel are becoming increasingly concered about future developments on their respective patches.

As far as being Welsh, I feel lucky to be born a Welshman. But have also thought of myself as European.

The only day of the year I feel religious, is when I hear Cwm Rhondda being sung as Wales is beats England at Twickenham or the Millennium Stadium.

When that happens, for a few moments I feel there is a God.

I'm not sure why you would have jewish friends when you make a statement such as that in post 427.

I would've thought that most of his "friends" have 4 legs and say bah, rawdm999.

Only joking, Fred, just in case you haven't really squelched me.

:o)

us sheep would not be friends with fred

Hilary, as i said its all relative. Maybe the sheep are not his friends, he just keeps them corralled and abuses them. That makes Fred the same as Israel (or Hamas)...a bully.
PS. why would he squelch you, your posts always raise a smile.

Lamby :)

sivad .... for the record, i am jewish and many of my relatives perished in the concentration camps and even in the earlier pogroms in poland.

i read your piece and confess i find it ranting, polemical rubbish, just as most of fred's stuff is ..... no i do not condone hamas's rockets, but israel's response in all its gory detail and everything else is totally disproportionate .... yet again, the lunatics on both sides are holding sway, at the expense of simple common sense and compromise, which would almost certainly bring the peace that both the common palestinians and israelis would like.

Negotiation with Israel is specifically ruled out in Hamas' constitution.

"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. (.) There is no solution to the Palestinian question except by Jihad. All initiatives, proposals, and International Conferences are a waste of time and vain endeavours."

Not a great starting point for Hamas' involvement in "initiatives, proposals, and International Conferences".