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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

goldfinger - 12 Jul 2014 13:32 - 43500 of 81564

Well Chris I dont go troting around on golf courses with 13 year old boys looking for your balls......wink wink.

goldfinger - 12 Jul 2014 13:38 - 43501 of 81564

8 powerful reasons why Butler-Sloss cannot head the VIP child abuse inquiry

Here are 8 extremely compelling reasons why Baroness Butler-Sloss should stand down as head of the inquiry into allegations of child abuse by politicians and other powerful figures:

1) Child abuse survivors say Butler-Sloss is the wrong person for the job.

2) Prominent campaigners also say Butler-Sloss is the wrong person for the job.

3) Butler-Sloss would have to investigate her own brother who has been accused of covering up the identities of VIP paedophiles.

4) As a member of the House of Lords, Butler-Sloss is too much an entrenched part of the same establishment she would have to be investigating.

5) Butler-Sloss has herself been accused of trying to hide the identities of church leaders accused of child abuse.

6) Butler-Sloss has openly stated she believes leaders and heads of state should have “sovereign immunity” in the courts.

7) At 81, Butler-Sloss is simply too old to carry out a forceful, tenacious and effective investigation into powerful people who have very powerful connections and who will assuredly fight tooth and nail against any suggestions of wrong-doing on their part.

And the most undoubtedly incontestable reason Butler-Sloss cannot possibly be the right person for the job……

8) Michael Gove thinks she is.

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Related articles by Tom Pride:

goldfinger - 12 Jul 2014 13:45 - 43502 of 81564

How Duncan Smith’s departure would help Osborne
Posted on July 11, 2014 by thelovelywibblywobblyoldlady
Reposted from the New Statesman

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Iain Duncan Smith arrives in Downing Street on September 5, 2012. Photograph: Getty Images.
Is Iain Duncan Smith set to resign his post in next Monday’s reshuffle? Westminster has been abuzz with speculation all day after a commuter wrote on Facebook that she overheard a “20 something brunette, with a very posh voice” remark on a train to London that “someone called Ian [sic] is leaving the DWP (apparently he wants to go and has agreed to go).” Rumour links Duncan Smith with a move to Defence as part of what the BBC’s James Lansdale reports will be a “far wider reshuffle” than initially thought.

It’s worth recalling that the Work and Pensions Secretary previously turned down the offer of Justice in the 2012 reshuffle in order to “see through” the reforms he had started (albeit with little success since). One person who pushed for his departure then was George Osborne. As Matthew d’Ancona’sIn It Together revealed, the Chancellor believes that Duncan Smith is “just not clever enough”. He has long been sceptical of his grand plan to transform the welfare system, Universal Credit (involving the merger of six benefits into one), fearing that the costs will outweigh any gains (hence why the Treasury still hasn’t signed off the business case for it). To date, the DWP has written off £40.1m of assets developed for the programme and expects to write down a further £91m by March 2018, prompting the National Audit Office to warn that it has has “not achieved value for money”.

The pair previously clashed over Osborne’s announcement at the 2010 Conservative conference that child benefit would be removed from high-earners, which Duncan Smith was not briefed on in advance and which he regarded as a punitive raid on families.

Further disagreement has come over post-2015 welfare cuts. While Osborne is committed to achieving £12.5bn of savings through further reductions to working-age benefits (in addition to the £21.5bn already announced), Duncan Smith believes that “you can’t keep hacking at the same people” and that wealthy pensioners cannot remain exempt from austerity. He would like to see universal payments such as the Winter Fuel Allowance, free TV licences and free bus passes means-tested in order to achieve a more “balanced” approach. But dismissing the prospect of cuts, Osborne has stated that pensioner benefits are “not where you need to make the substantial savings required”. Another consideration is the electoral importance of the over-65s (the age group most likely to vote) and the risk that a raid on their benefits would allow Ukip to outflank the Tories by promising to safeguard all payments.

Ahead of negotiations over the Conservative manifesto, then, the departure of Duncan Smith from the DWP, and his replacement with a more compliant figure, would help Osborne to secure the welfare policies he wants.

goldfinger - 12 Jul 2014 13:46 - 43503 of 81564

I hope the rumour is true.......good riddance mass murderer.

MaxK - 12 Jul 2014 14:27 - 43504 of 81564

Where is Nick and Ed on this Butler-Sloss thingy?


Why are HM's opposition so quiet, could it be that they are part of the cover up??



edit: when is the kommitee to report it's findings?

Haystack - 12 Jul 2014 14:52 - 43505 of 81564

The opposition are quiotehappy with Butler. She looks like a good choice.

goldfinger - 12 Jul 2014 14:54 - 43506 of 81564

Think milli is in favour of slosh. Not sure on Nick.

Iknow vast majority of labour dont want slosh.

12 weeks it takes i think.

Should be well timed for GE.

goldfinger - 12 Jul 2014 15:00 - 43507 of 81564

Hays no they arent, its just Milli.

goldfinger - 12 Jul 2014 15:03 - 43508 of 81564

How can she be the right person.........

5) Butler-Sloss has herself been accused of trying to hide the identities of church leaders accused of child abuse.

No doubt the clergy will be involved again.........sat in the lords.

Haystack - 12 Jul 2014 15:36 - 43509 of 81564

As you say 'accused'. Not the same as that she did do that.

Fred1new - 12 Jul 2014 15:42 - 43510 of 81564

It may, or not be a stitch up with Sloss, but the it opens the enquiry and findings to scepticism.

The problem is the pool of judges has a large number who are, or is part of the establishments itself.

Also, looking back at that period there was a pattern of odd behaviours and networks of Old Etonians.

Also, I think it was the 70s, 80s and 90s, that it was revealed the amount Politicians, Old Etonians, Mason, Police and Judiciary mixed on regular basis at the various lodge.

Having the ear of the Chief constable etc. was common practice.

~The relationships although partially exposed were swept back under the carpet.

By which government and is that being attempted again.

But those living in No 10 and 11 must be used to the stench by now!

MaxK - 12 Jul 2014 16:03 - 43511 of 81564

I wonder if they have finished writing the enquiry's findings yet?

Fred1new - 12 Jul 2014 16:11 - 43512 of 81564

8-)


Hairy one and hazy one are composing the music for it!

What a period of political incompetents!

Even the tory grandees must be turning in the graves!



Forgot they has fags to do that for them!

Fred1new - 12 Jul 2014 21:14 - 43513 of 81564

Just watched again House of Cards the Drama channel.

Seems a beautiful portrayal of the present tory leadership, although written in the Post Maggie period of the 90s.


Seems timely to run it again now!

MaxK - 13 Jul 2014 08:50 - 43514 of 81564

Fred1new - 13 Jul 2014 11:30 - 43515 of 81564

For the hairy one and Hazy one:

July 13th 2014

This week’s YouGov/Sunday Times poll is up here,
with topline figures of

CON 33%,


LAB 38%,

LDEM 9%,

UKIP 12%.



LABOUR MAJORITY OF 58


Long live Cameron, Osborne and IDS.


At least until the next G/E

MaxK - 13 Jul 2014 12:32 - 43516 of 81564

Fred1new - 13 Jul 2014 13:42 - 43517 of 81564

Is the cash going into the con party's coffers to buy election propaganda and support?

========

If I don't write more, you will know I have fallen of my bike.

Lifting the B. thing into the car has nearly kill.

The things you will do for grandchildren!

8-)

hilary - 13 Jul 2014 15:06 - 43518 of 81564

When it comes to winning the next election, you're wasting you time with opinion polls. If you want to know who's going to win, you need to ask the bookies - they're nearly always right.

Here's the odds being offered on both Labour and the Conservatives to win the most seats. It plots the trend for three popular bookies since 2010. The odds are decimal, so anything under 2 is odds-on.

Both parties are currently just about even to get the most seats, but which way are the trends going?

Labour

Still slightly odds-on, but they've clearly been going outside over the last year or so. By next May, an extrapolation of that chart suggests decimal odds of around 2.2.

Conservatives

Currently evens, and clearly coming inside. An extrapolation of the chart suggests they'll be odds-on to win the most seats come next May.

And that is before UKIP have been smeared and scandalised as a bunch of racists and bigots. Once that happens, and the Tories UKIPise their own policies, they will be heading towards an overall majority.

goldfinger - 13 Jul 2014 15:26 - 43519 of 81564

Absolute rubbish.

Its the marginals that will decide who wins the next GE and Lord Ashcroft has labour in a 5% to 7% lead. And its widening. Thats the trend.

With interest rates likely to rise before the GE it certainly isnt going to help the Tories.

Camoron makes his cabinet reshuffle tomorrow..........despearate times for a desperate man.
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