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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

goldfinger - 15 Jul 2014 18:21 - 43699 of 81564

Fred...........

John Prescott @johnprescott · 3h
Cameron now has 10 people 'attending Cabinet' who aren't members of the Cabinet. Is this what he meant by the Big Society? #reshuffle

goldfinger - 15 Jul 2014 18:27 - 43700 of 81564

15 July 2014 Last updated at 15:15

Asylum seeker benefits fraud 'not being tackled'

_76276677_76276676.jpgThe Home Office has come under fire for failing to stop asylum seekers fraudulently claiming benefits.

In a scathing report, Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration John Vine said there was "no evidence" of an effective strategy to fight fraud in the £155m asylum support system.

He said insufficient resources also meant that opportunities to find and deter those planning fraud were lost.

The Home Office has insisted work has already begun to improve these areas.

It said its efforts would help streamline the asylum process across the country.

The Home Office also accepted 11 recommendations made in the report and pledged to implement them.

'Far too low'
People applying for asylum in the UK are entitled to housing and financial support of at least £36 a week. Those whose asylum claims have been refused are also eligible for short-term benefits.

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Opportunities to identify and deter those wishing to commit fraud were lost”

John Vine
Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration
In total, almost 27,000 people received support last year.

However, the report found that only six people were successfully prosecuted in the UK in 2012/13 for fraud offences in this area and that only £5,673 was recovered.

Mr Vine said these figures were "far too low".

"I found no evidence that the Home Office had an effective strategy to identify and tackle fraud in the asylum support system," he said.

"Work had not been undertaken to determine what its exposure to fraud risk was.

"No attempt had been made to ensure that fraud and compliance teams operated in a consistent manner and there were insufficient resources dedicated to this work.

"This meant that opportunities to identify and deter those wishing to commit fraud were lost."

The report said the Home Office's UK Visas and Immigration (UKVI) failed to follow its own policy of reviewing support cases to determine whether recipients were still eligible.

More than half had not been reviewed regularly, it found.

The report also said the UKVI failed to establish "an effective counter-fraud regime" and had not determined the "scale and nature" of risks posed by fraud.

'Haphazard'
Resource management was therefore "haphazard" and regional teams worked autonomously without any central guidance.

The report said this led to them failing to operate in a consistent manner, setting their own performance targets and not being suitably trained to do investigative work.

In a statement, the Home Office said it was "committed to providing accommodation and support to those who would otherwise be destitute while claims are considered".

"UKVI's security objective is to detect and deter threats and identify, protect and support victims as part of a zero tolerance approach to immigration abuse," it said.

It added that it was pleased with the positive findings in the report, which included remarks that staff working at an asylum screening unit were "committed to safeguarding vulnerable individuals and made a concerted effort to ensure that those requiring immediate access to the support system were given priority".

goldfinger - 15 Jul 2014 18:32 - 43701 of 81564

Yunker Yunker shove it up yer jumper.

Hard luck Dave.

Fred1new - 15 Jul 2014 19:28 - 43702 of 81564

Dave wobbles from mistakes to u-turns and celebrates with them with a catastrophe!

No wonder the back-benchers are getting drunk to-night.

If there was a vote between Farage and Cameron I think I would go for the Joker.

His own actions have led to his own and party's the catastrophe, suffocated by their own propaganda and lies.

He allowed the likes of IDS, Fox, Osborne and Gove to dominate policies and he is stuffed.

Fred1new - 15 Jul 2014 19:32 - 43703 of 81564

GF,

If the ID cards had not been cancelled by this rabble then many of false claims and tax avoidance or evasion could have been clamped down on it.

It probably could have helped to prevent illegal immigrants. (Has Dave had his passport checked. 8-) )

It could have been the basis of controlling money laundering through the city.

MaxK - 15 Jul 2014 19:50 - 43704 of 81564

Don't be daft Fred, they'd have been dishing out free id cards to all and sundry.

Fred1new - 15 Jul 2014 19:57 - 43705 of 81564

MAx

You mean confetti in the cabinet!

(Engage the grey matter.)


However,

I have just been informed by a Baroness Something, or other, that we are going to see a more of tory women in public life and on the TV.

Being of a nervous disposition, if that means they are going to take their clothes off, I hope that it is not so.

MaxK - 15 Jul 2014 19:58 - 43706 of 81564

I dunno Fred, I thought you fancied Esther.

cynic - 15 Jul 2014 20:03 - 43707 of 81564

sticky - i can tell you CSA is downright vicious so not sure that your accusation is correct

cynic - 15 Jul 2014 20:12 - 43708 of 81564

Juncker jeered over euro as he urges huge spending package - € 300bn!!!!

now where have we seen the attempt to borrow hugely and then try to spend the way out of recession before, though with much smaller numbers?

anyone remember the consequence?

Haystack - 15 Jul 2014 20:14 - 43709 of 81564

The CSA s not controlled by any particular government. That have been pretty weak regarding chasing absent fathers for years.

cynic - 15 Jul 2014 20:19 - 43710 of 81564

really? ..... i certainly know of one case where they were downright spiteful

of course, it does require the mother to lodge a claim with CSA which, de facto, means divulging the name of the alleged father, which may well be something of which she is uncertain

i also believe that even having had CSA on their backs, the father still has few if any rights

MaxK - 15 Jul 2014 20:25 - 43711 of 81564

They'll chase the ones they can find...not easy with the usual suspects.

The hapless joe with a steady job is the number one target...easy pickings.

goldfinger - 15 Jul 2014 20:32 - 43712 of 81564

Lets get this right, no matter who runs the CSA they should be recovering a lot more money than they are.

And if a women wont cooperate then she gets a lot lower rate of benefit its as simple as that.

And the father who as resisted payment is caught and thrown in prison or pays up the arrears he owes.

And these religions where they have 3 4 or 5 wifes and umpteen kids all who have to be paid for by the taxpayer are not turned a blind eye to.

Its gone on for too long now andthis includes coppers and the forces where the Tory party have always turned a blind eye.

I know how it works Cyners I worked for the old DHSS for nearly 10 years. We used to have then what was called a 'stud list' these men had children to different women and got away with it.

No longer should this be allowed.

These are the people who should be forced into slave labour not the kids who cant get jobs after University and School.

goldfinger - 15 Jul 2014 20:42 - 43713 of 81564

Good prog on BBC1 at 9, dubbed Benefits Street 2.

Immigration.

Wonder if TANKER will be watching, he'l probably be out with his pop shot gun tomorrow.

MaxK - 15 Jul 2014 20:45 - 43714 of 81564

But it's Nu Labour who let the situation get out of hand gf.

goldfinger - 15 Jul 2014 20:48 - 43715 of 81564

Immigration yep you could say that but lets not forget Camorons promises, last year it was back to labours average.

Its the EEC that hamper every party.

Hope you watch the prog anyway. Should be a good debate tomorrow on here if its as good as they make the prog out to be.

goldfinger - 15 Jul 2014 21:24 - 43716 of 81564

That young Polish Joiner here 6 month but cant speak the lingo........big minus.

goldfinger - 15 Jul 2014 21:26 - 43717 of 81564

Immigrants taking property and Filling it with freinds...........big minus.

Fred1new - 15 Jul 2014 21:31 - 43718 of 81564

Almost as bad as English students looking for digs.

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