Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

A bit of good news from today

The Government has rejected a call for a second referendum on European Union membership in a petition that was signed by more than 4.1 million people following the Brexit vote.

It was the most-signed Government petition since the process was introduced in 2011.

However in an official reply, the Foreign Office said 33 million people had had their say and “the decision must be respected”.

The petition, which was set up by a Brexit supporter before the referendum was held, had called for the Government to annul the results if the Remain or Leave vote won by less than 60 per cent on a turnout of less than 75 per cent.

Government petitions which reach over 100,000 signatures must be considered for debate in parliament.

The Foreign Office said: “The EU Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015. The Act was scrutinised and debated in Parliament during its passage and agreed by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. The Act set out the terms under which the referendum would take place, including provisions for setting the date, franchise and the question that would appear on the ballot paper. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

“As the Prime Minister made clear in his statement to the House of Commons on 27 June, the referendum was one of the biggest democratic exercises in British history with over 33 million people having their say.

“The Prime Minister and Government have been clear that this was a once-in-a-generation vote and, as the Prime Minister has said, the decision must be respected. We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU and the Government is committed to ensuring the best possible outcome for the British people in the negotiations.”

In the wake of the Brexit vote, the petition was shared widely on social media by Remain supporters.

As the number of signatories soared, the petition's original author, Leave activist William Oliver Healey, disowned it, saying his opinions on the need for a high turnout and high level of support for one side had been “hijacked” by EU supporters.

The Government’s decision will come as a blow to those who hoped to find a parliamentary means of stopping Britain’s withdrawal from the bloc.

However, calls for a second referendum on the terms of Britain’s departure from the EU are gathering pace. Four out of 10 people would like to see a second referendum before Britain leaves the EU, according to an opinion poll for The Independent.

The survey of 2,000 people by ORB found that 40 per cent agree that there should be a referendum on the exit deal that the Government negotiates, and that the UK should seek to Remain in the EU if the public rejects the terms.

Such a course was supported by 12 per cent of people who voted Leave last month. A second vote was backed by 68 per cent of people who supported Remain last month.

Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary, is among a number of MPs backing a referendum on the exit terms. Lawyers have also said MPs must vote to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act, under which the UK joined the EU.

housing market
certainly in london, it suddenly seems to have turned round, in particular with properties of <£1m
"foreigners" are now piling into these - all scrupulously clean (laundered) money of course - presumably as a good buy-to-let proposition especially with £ now seriously weak

Even a manufactured after the event poll still cant get a majority:


The survey of 2,000 people by ORB found that 40 per cent agree that there should be a referendum on the exit deal that the Government negotiates, and that the UK should seek to Remain in the EU if the public rejects the terms.

No one in their right mind would take that petition for a second referendum
at face value, there might be over 4 million votes but how many were invalid?,
I'd say at least half would have been bogus...

And not only that..They can go frick themselves, if it had been the other way
round and 52% had voted to remain they would have been gloating for ever
and the day...

So they'd best get over it and stop stamping their feet...

Never mind the €urozone, Ma Merkel has bigger fish to keep out of the frying pan.



Chart: The Epic Collapse of Deutsche Bank

GoldSilver.com
JULY 08, 2016

https://goldsilver.com/news/chart-the-epic-collapse-of-deutsche-bank/


Now the real question: what happens to Deutsche Bank’s derivative book, which has a notional value of €52 trillion, if the bank is insolvent?

Looks like more porkies

Fresh doubts about Andrea Leadsom’s career claims surfaced last night over her alleged role following the collapse of Barings Bank.
Mrs Leadsom has said she worked closely with the then Bank of England governor to prevent a financial crisis after it folded in 1995.
The Tory leadership contender said she spent a weekend with Eddie George battling to rescue the institution – which suffered one of the biggest financial meltdowns in modern British history.
But yesterday a former Bank of England director raised doubts about her claim, fuelling allegations that she had inflated her role.
It is the latest question mark over Mrs Leadsom’s apparently glowing CV,

In her maiden Commons speech in 2010, she said that as Barings collapsed on a Friday evening: ‘Eddie George, the Governor of the Bank of England, called together a small group of bankers, including myself, and we worked over the weekend to calm the fears of banks that were exposed to Barings.’
During a hearing of the Treasury select committee the same year, she told then Bank of England governor Mervyn King: ‘I had the dubious pleasure of working with [Mr George] over a weekend to stop a run on the banks when Barings went bust.’
She reiterated the claim in an interview with the Daily Mail last month, saying: ‘I remember spending the weekend with Eddie George at the Bank of England, ringing all the banks, saying “Don’t panic”.’
But Michael Foot, who was the deputy director of banking supervision in Threadneedle Street at the time, said yesterday: ‘During the Barings crisis, the Bank of England’s interface with the leading UK banks was almost wholly at chairman or CEO levels. I’m afraid I would not have seen anything of what went on within banks like Barclays.’ Peter Norris, who was chief executive of Barings, also said he could not remember her playing a role in attempts to rescue the bank.

20 Conservative MPs will resign if Andrea Leadsom wins.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/09/tory-women-turn-against-andrea-leadsom-as-motherhood-row-deepens/

Tory women turn against Andrea Leadsom as motherhood row deepens

Well the character assasination is going into overdrive by the May supporters,
in their efforts to keep out the 'upstart' LEAVE campaigner Andrea Leadsom.

How anyone could work again with 'friends and colleagues' like what's
going on in both the Tory & Labour party....I'm afraid i wouldn't be able too.

Cliff Richard is suing the BBC and police for £1m.

Artıcle 50.

Feelıng ıt wıll be kıcked ınto the long grass.

That's the plan!

Cliff Richard ,, so he should , i think that unless charged we should not have known about his arrest .
A lot of people will look at him now thinking no smoke without fire and if he is innocent (there we go even i'm guilty of thinking the same) it has tarnished his reputation .

Also the police statement said there is insufficient evidence to proceed ,which is very different to saying he is definitely not guilty.

If GE 2020 comes down to Leadsom v Corbyn remember only one of them is a mother

What a smorgasbord of talent Labour are going to serve up for me to pick from. Spoilt for choice and where to cast my vote? Such weighty decisions.

The same could be said of the Tory (Future neo-con party).

Have a gentle read of :

I feel my British passport has become a badge of shame
Ed Vulliamy


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/09/after-brexit-british-passport-badge-of-shame-ed-vulliamy

or/and

The Iraq disaster helps explain why Britain is in this dark place
Andrew Rawnsley

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/10/tony-blair-chilcot-iraq-inquiry-legacy-labour-party

Let's be quite clear about this. Angela Eagle is not Jeremy Corbyn. So that is a start. ie. She is a potential fresh leader.

While Jeremy Corbyn made clear on Marr that he has no intention of stepping down, Angela Eagle has done the rounds on Peston and Sunday Politics declaring that she will run for leader if Corbyn refuses to go.

So with a fresh leadership election on the horizon, it’s now on Eagle to make the case for her candidacy. In an interview with Andrew Neil on Sunday Politics, Eagle argued that Corbyn’s position was untenable now he had lost the confidence of the majority of the PLP — stating that he couldn’t ‘lead behind a closed door’. She also argued that Labour’s electoral performance under Corbyn was not up to par, and that they should strive for better results.

However, although Eagle says she is the candidate who can ‘heal Labour’, she floundered when it came to making the positive case for her leadership bid. Eagle struggled to explain why it should be her who replaces Corbyn. When asked what policies set her apart from the Labour leader, she dodged the question:

AE: I am on the Left. Any party which I lead will be an anti-austerity party.
AN: I understand, that’s Corbyn’s position too. What I’m asking is: what are the key policy differences?
AE: I think that I want to lead a strong united opposition. Jeremy was asked three times in that interview if he could win a General Election, he didn’t say yes.

While Eagle complained that Corbyn avoided the electability question three times on Marr, she herself avoided Andrew Neil’s policy questions three times in the interview.

If Eagle wants to win over the membership, she will need to go deeper than pointing out that she is not Jeremy Corbyn. While some Labour members may simply want him out, the majority will need to be won over by her vision for the party — and that includes new policies.

Labour would not be electable under Eagle either. I would expect that she would be a caretaker leader and another election would occur closer to 2020.The leader might be more centrist and more electable.

This is why Corbyn has to go

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