Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

housing market
certainly in london, it suddenly seems to have turned round, in particular with properties of <£1m
"foreigners" are now piling into these - all scrupulously clean (laundered) money of course - presumably as a good buy-to-let proposition especially with £ now seriously weak

Even a manufactured after the event poll still cant get a majority:


The survey of 2,000 people by ORB found that 40 per cent agree that there should be a referendum on the exit deal that the Government negotiates, and that the UK should seek to Remain in the EU if the public rejects the terms.

No one in their right mind would take that petition for a second referendum
at face value, there might be over 4 million votes but how many were invalid?,
I'd say at least half would have been bogus...

And not only that..They can go frick themselves, if it had been the other way
round and 52% had voted to remain they would have been gloating for ever
and the day...

So they'd best get over it and stop stamping their feet...

Never mind the €urozone, Ma Merkel has bigger fish to keep out of the frying pan.



Chart: The Epic Collapse of Deutsche Bank

GoldSilver.com
JULY 08, 2016

https://goldsilver.com/news/chart-the-epic-collapse-of-deutsche-bank/


Now the real question: what happens to Deutsche Bank’s derivative book, which has a notional value of €52 trillion, if the bank is insolvent?

Looks like more porkies

Fresh doubts about Andrea Leadsom’s career claims surfaced last night over her alleged role following the collapse of Barings Bank.
Mrs Leadsom has said she worked closely with the then Bank of England governor to prevent a financial crisis after it folded in 1995.
The Tory leadership contender said she spent a weekend with Eddie George battling to rescue the institution – which suffered one of the biggest financial meltdowns in modern British history.
But yesterday a former Bank of England director raised doubts about her claim, fuelling allegations that she had inflated her role.
It is the latest question mark over Mrs Leadsom’s apparently glowing CV,

In her maiden Commons speech in 2010, she said that as Barings collapsed on a Friday evening: ‘Eddie George, the Governor of the Bank of England, called together a small group of bankers, including myself, and we worked over the weekend to calm the fears of banks that were exposed to Barings.’
During a hearing of the Treasury select committee the same year, she told then Bank of England governor Mervyn King: ‘I had the dubious pleasure of working with [Mr George] over a weekend to stop a run on the banks when Barings went bust.’
She reiterated the claim in an interview with the Daily Mail last month, saying: ‘I remember spending the weekend with Eddie George at the Bank of England, ringing all the banks, saying “Don’t panic”.’
But Michael Foot, who was the deputy director of banking supervision in Threadneedle Street at the time, said yesterday: ‘During the Barings crisis, the Bank of England’s interface with the leading UK banks was almost wholly at chairman or CEO levels. I’m afraid I would not have seen anything of what went on within banks like Barclays.’ Peter Norris, who was chief executive of Barings, also said he could not remember her playing a role in attempts to rescue the bank.

20 Conservative MPs will resign if Andrea Leadsom wins.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/09/tory-women-turn-against-andrea-leadsom-as-motherhood-row-deepens/

Tory women turn against Andrea Leadsom as motherhood row deepens

Well the character assasination is going into overdrive by the May supporters,
in their efforts to keep out the 'upstart' LEAVE campaigner Andrea Leadsom.

How anyone could work again with 'friends and colleagues' like what's
going on in both the Tory & Labour party....I'm afraid i wouldn't be able too.

Cliff Richard is suing the BBC and police for £1m.

Artıcle 50.

Feelıng ıt wıll be kıcked ınto the long grass.

That's the plan!

Cliff Richard ,, so he should , i think that unless charged we should not have known about his arrest .
A lot of people will look at him now thinking no smoke without fire and if he is innocent (there we go even i'm guilty of thinking the same) it has tarnished his reputation .

Also the police statement said there is insufficient evidence to proceed ,which is very different to saying he is definitely not guilty.

If GE 2020 comes down to Leadsom v Corbyn remember only one of them is a mother

What a smorgasbord of talent Labour are going to serve up for me to pick from. Spoilt for choice and where to cast my vote? Such weighty decisions.

The same could be said of the Tory (Future neo-con party).

Have a gentle read of :

I feel my British passport has become a badge of shame
Ed Vulliamy


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/09/after-brexit-british-passport-badge-of-shame-ed-vulliamy

or/and

The Iraq disaster helps explain why Britain is in this dark place
Andrew Rawnsley

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/10/tony-blair-chilcot-iraq-inquiry-legacy-labour-party

Let's be quite clear about this. Angela Eagle is not Jeremy Corbyn. So that is a start. ie. She is a potential fresh leader.

While Jeremy Corbyn made clear on Marr that he has no intention of stepping down, Angela Eagle has done the rounds on Peston and Sunday Politics declaring that she will run for leader if Corbyn refuses to go.

So with a fresh leadership election on the horizon, it’s now on Eagle to make the case for her candidacy. In an interview with Andrew Neil on Sunday Politics, Eagle argued that Corbyn’s position was untenable now he had lost the confidence of the majority of the PLP — stating that he couldn’t ‘lead behind a closed door’. She also argued that Labour’s electoral performance under Corbyn was not up to par, and that they should strive for better results.

However, although Eagle says she is the candidate who can ‘heal Labour’, she floundered when it came to making the positive case for her leadership bid. Eagle struggled to explain why it should be her who replaces Corbyn. When asked what policies set her apart from the Labour leader, she dodged the question:

AE: I am on the Left. Any party which I lead will be an anti-austerity party.
AN: I understand, that’s Corbyn’s position too. What I’m asking is: what are the key policy differences?
AE: I think that I want to lead a strong united opposition. Jeremy was asked three times in that interview if he could win a General Election, he didn’t say yes.

While Eagle complained that Corbyn avoided the electability question three times on Marr, she herself avoided Andrew Neil’s policy questions three times in the interview.

If Eagle wants to win over the membership, she will need to go deeper than pointing out that she is not Jeremy Corbyn. While some Labour members may simply want him out, the majority will need to be won over by her vision for the party — and that includes new policies.

Labour would not be electable under Eagle either. I would expect that she would be a caretaker leader and another election would occur closer to 2020.The leader might be more centrist and more electable.

This is why Corbyn has to go

Momentum chief: winning elections is for political elites https://t.co/QWdErgMcSG pic.twitter.com/xwMy9d1X7J

— Steerpike (@MrSteerpike) 10 July 2016

At one time it didn't matter who ran for Labour, all you had to do was stick
a rosette on a donkey/monkey/parrot, and they'd win in Labour heartlands.

I suggest they find a suitable shop mannequin, or errect a scarecrow outside
Labour HQ.

But hopefully, those Labour supporter's of yore have come to their senses and
realize that Labour are no longer the representatives of the working man/woman.

Which going by the referendum results in Labours heatlands, it would suggest they
have...