Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Whos in the frame Hays???? Ruskys

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Do you mean the Winter Allowence or the heating benefit ?

Pro-Russian paramilitary , the ones that shot down the Urkranian helicopter, i would say

Ohhhhhhhhhh sounds serious.

Maybe Russians. It is suggested that the rebels don't have the capability as it was at 33,000 feet.

The Russians wouldn't do it...what possible gain?

Maybe a mistaken plane?

Unlikely to be a mistake, if you have those sort of missiles, you normally have the kit with which to use them.

The Ukrainians have distributed a recording of two Russian Colonels discussing shooting down the plane. The type of missile that could down a plane at height has been seen in eastern Ukraine today. It is a BUK missile

But why would the Russians do it?

Theres nothing in it for them!

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Also, how would the Ukrainians come by a recording of two Russian Colonels having a chat?

It looks like the Russians may have given the missile to the pro Russian groups. It could still be the Russians I suppose. It looks like the plane was mistaken for a Ukrainian transport plane. Two transport planes had been shot down over the last couple of weeks.

The Ukrainian intelligence monitor telephone traffic as do all countries. They even gave out the mobile phone number used by one Russian intelligence colonel.

OK, they're all dopes, and they dish out anti aircraft missiles to all and sundry, complete with training and all the back up needed for proper missiles to work.


But what do they gain?

They destabilise Ukraine by shooting down their military aircraft. The passenger plane was probably a mistake.

Yep thats what I said earlier.

Probably some nutters who got hold of the missiles and knew how to fire them but not how to detect what they were fireing at and thought it was a military plane.

The thing I find disturbing about the Malaysian plane being shot down is why were civilian planes even flying over that region in the first place? If it's already known that they shoot military planes down in the area, then who on earth allowed the plane to take that route???

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