Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The Ukrainians have distributed a recording of two Russian Colonels discussing shooting down the plane. The type of missile that could down a plane at height has been seen in eastern Ukraine today. It is a BUK missile

But why would the Russians do it?

Theres nothing in it for them!

itchy twitchy digits

Also, how would the Ukrainians come by a recording of two Russian Colonels having a chat?

It looks like the Russians may have given the missile to the pro Russian groups. It could still be the Russians I suppose. It looks like the plane was mistaken for a Ukrainian transport plane. Two transport planes had been shot down over the last couple of weeks.

The Ukrainian intelligence monitor telephone traffic as do all countries. They even gave out the mobile phone number used by one Russian intelligence colonel.

OK, they're all dopes, and they dish out anti aircraft missiles to all and sundry, complete with training and all the back up needed for proper missiles to work.


But what do they gain?

They destabilise Ukraine by shooting down their military aircraft. The passenger plane was probably a mistake.

Yep thats what I said earlier.

Probably some nutters who got hold of the missiles and knew how to fire them but not how to detect what they were fireing at and thought it was a military plane.

The thing I find disturbing about the Malaysian plane being shot down is why were civilian planes even flying over that region in the first place? If it's already known that they shoot military planes down in the area, then who on earth allowed the plane to take that route???

gold who gets this £300 bonus because I only get the £10

GOVE WAS MOVED BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WANT TO DOWN PLAY THE BIRMINGHAM SCHOOL ROW AND APPESE THE MUSLIMS .

TANKER if you dont get a winter fuel allowance...... then your not a pensioner ie, 65.

And if you receive the xmas bonus of £10 you must be getting some qualifying benefit.??????????????

Gold price surge just after plane crash

The plane's black boxes are now in Moscow.

WHAT!!!!!!!!!! no chance of getting the truth now then.

There is a story that the rocket launcher has been taken across the border into Russia and is being destroyed.

I think that may add to Putin's problems, as if they have been taken from the Ukraine without Ukraine's authority it would be seen as another breach of International law.

Now, who could possibly find fault with this proposal?




MPs to get veto over unpopular human rights laws if Tories win election

David Cameron, the Prime Minister, is preparing to announce plans to replace the controversial Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights.



By Christopher Hope, Senior Political Correspondent

10:00PM BST 17 Jul 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10974247/MPs-to-get-veto-over-unpopular-human-rights-laws-if-Tories-win-election.html



MPs could be given a veto over unpopular decisions made by the European Court of Human Rights, under plans being drawn up by the Conservatives.


David Cameron, the Prime Minister, is preparing to announce plans to replace the controversial Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights.


It would give MPs and peers the ability to ensure that unpopular rulings of the European Court in Strasbourg do not apply to the UK.


The change would be enacted in two stages if the Conservatives win May’s general election outright.


Within months of the party forming a Government legislation would be brought forward to replace the Human Rights Act with a UK Bill of Rights.


The Daily Telegraph disclosed in January that the principles of the European Convention will be written into the new Bill of Rights.

A passage in the 1998 Human Rights Act which requires minsters to have regard to the European Court will be dropped.

The Supreme Court will be the final arbiter of complex human rights cases, not the European Court in Strasbourg.

However crucially this would also mean that Parliament – which is the supreme body in the UK – would also get a say over which rulings to accept.

The second stage of its implementation would see the Government negotiate with the Council of Europe and the European Court about how the new relationship will work.

MPs are already dragging their heels over implementing a decision by the European Court to give the vote to prisoners.

The extent of the plans is understood to be the reason some left-leaning Tory ministers were reshuffled by Mr Cameron this week.

Dominic Grieve, the Attorney General, is understood to believe that giving the power to Parliament was “revolutionary”.

MPs believe that Mr Grieve was sacked by Mr Cameron this week because of concern in Number 10 that he would have blocked the human rights reforms.

Sources close to Mr Grieve made clear that he had not been consulted on the plans nor had he been privy to the proposals, which are likely to be published in the Autumn.

Ken Clarke, the former Justice secretary, also opposed any plans to water down Britain’s links to the European Court of Human Rights. A Number 10 source said no decisions had been taken on the human rights reforms.

Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister and leader of the Liberal Democrats, condemned the plans.

He told LBC radio that it would mean Britain was lining up “with Vladimir Putin and other tyrants around the world.” He added that – in the wake of the reshuffle – “basically what’s happened is I think the headbangers have now won”.