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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

MaxK - 20 Jul 2014 20:22 - 44020 of 81564

Name em and shame em Fred, the tory ones.

Go on!

Fred1new - 20 Jul 2014 20:42 - 44021 of 81564

Do you own homework!

Fred1new - 20 Jul 2014 20:43 - 44022 of 81564

Mind the con party seems to me to be more incestuous than the lib/dems and labour parties.

God help them in their choices!

MaxK - 20 Jul 2014 20:54 - 44023 of 81564

lol, you cant find any Fred, cos the cons haven't thought of it ...yet!


As for Emily Benn, she is being put through the wringer to make it look good, why else the puff piece?

No doubt a safe seat will be forthcoming.

Fred1new - 20 Jul 2014 21:24 - 44024 of 81564

A little starter.

Start with Winnie and move on since those days.

Have a look at ancestry of other tory playmates!

It is interesting to see the links.

Some have shorter trouser legs than others.

Fred1new - 20 Jul 2014 22:13 - 44025 of 81564

Max.

If one is born into a politically enthusiastic family it is more than likely that a proportion of off springs will share their parents interests and be "activists" in one way or another.

(Values are introjected into children at early ages and replicate in patterns of behavior in later life, unless challenged.)

Look at other professions and one will see the same patterns of family "traditions".

The difficulty is when it is becomes an expectancy or a right and is unchallenged.

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Chris Carson - 20 Jul 2014 23:08 - 44026 of 81564

Then there is you Fred who just shags sheep!

Chris Carson - 21 Jul 2014 00:20 - 44027 of 81564

........... And gf of course :0)

goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 03:40 - 44028 of 81564

Everybody...........CHRISTINE SUPPORTS EVERTON........ LOL LOL LOL the big cissy boy.

Today’s UK polls

Opinium:
LAB 34%
CON 30
UKIP 17
LD 9

ComRes:
LAB 34%
CON 31
UKIP 17
LD 9
GRN 4

YouGov:
LAB 37%
CON 32
UKIP 13
LD 9
GRN 5

A walk in the park since the re-shuffle.

MaxK - 21 Jul 2014 08:16 - 44029 of 81564

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 08:29 - 44030 of 81564

Meanwhile George is ducking and diving

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/you-wont-hear-the-chancellor-boasting-about-the-biggest-drop-in-living-standards-since-the-war-9617471.html





David Blanchflower
20/7/2014


You won’t hear the Chancellor boasting about the biggest drop in living standards since the war

The young have been hurt the most by the recession. They don’t vote Tory and can’t buy a house, so who cares?
Last week I appeared on Iain Dale’s LBC radio show to discuss an interview he had just conducted with the Chancellor George Osborne on a trip to the South-west. Iain managed to get Osborne to repeat the dumbest statement that I have ever heard from a Chancellor – that is ‘four years ago the country was close to bankruptcy’. Such a claim that the country was broke is unequivocally false. A big fat pork pie.
In the quarter the Coalition took office in 2010 the economy grew by 1 per cent, which As I have frequently predicted in these columns, real wages continue to plunge. The latest ONS data showed that. Average weekly earnings were £478 a week, down from £479 in December 2013 and exactly the same as observed in April. Pay was up 0.3 per cent over the last twelve months, which is the lowest ever, and exactly zero in the five months that we have data for since the start of 2014. We have now had monthly estimates of £478 in January, February, April and May and one of £476 in March so there isn’t much growth there. In contrast the Retail Price Index grew 2.6 per cent over the last year, so real wages are currently falling at more than 2 per cent per annum. The AWE is up by 6.5 per cent since May 2010 while the RPI is up 14.6 per cent. So real wages are now down 8 per cent and that drop has no chance of being restored by election time. I do recall the Bank of England’s ex-chief economist Spencer Dale explaining at the last inflation report press conference that the MPC was fully expecting real wage growth in the second half of 2014, a claim recently repeated by Governor Carney who is headed back to the drawing board.
Elsewhere the news is little better. There was new evidence from a recent study published by the Department for Work and Pensions* showing how Iain Duncan Smith’s much hated bedroom tax had further hurt living standards of the vulnerable. The study found there was widespread concern that those who were paying the tax were making cuts to other household essentials or incurring other debts in order to pay the rent. More than half reported cutting back on household essentials and a third on non-essentials in order to pay their shortfall. A quarter said they had borrowed money, mostly from family and friends.
The UK’s younger workforce is struggling as well. The unemployment rate of those age 16-24 was 18 per cent compared with 5 per cent for those ages 25-49 and 4 per cent for those 50 and over. A report by the Institute of Fiscal Studies** confirmed that the young have been hurt the most by the Great Recession. They don’t vote Tory and have little or no chance of buying a house. So who cares? Actually, I do. I went back to Cardiff University to accept a Fellowship at the Business School graduation last week; my MSc thesis there in 1981 was about the scourge of youth unemployment.
is the fastest quarter of growth since 2007. The economy grew by an average of 0.6 per cent a quarter from the final three months of 2009 to the third quarter of 2010 compared with an average of only half of that in the fourteen quarters since then. The UK – with its own central bank and currency – has been able to borrow at historically low rates throughout the recession under both Labour and coalition governments and was never anywhere close to being insolvent. Imagine if the chief executive of any of the biggest 500 companies in Britain declared that their company was close to bankruptcy when it wasn’t – or even if it was – they would be relieved of their duties.

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 08:32 - 44031 of 81564

Final paragraph for those with short attention.


Despite steady falls in the unemployment rate, living standards for the vast majority continue to drop like a stone. Indeed, the Coalition has another record, it is responsible for the sharpest deterioration in living standards of any post-war government. But you won’t hear the Chancellor boasting about that.

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 08:36 - 44032 of 81564

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 08:36 - 44033 of 81564

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TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 09:03 - 44034 of 81564

why do all cowards cover their faces why do all cowards hide behind children and old women . the answer is their they are COWARDS .

MaxK - 21 Jul 2014 09:32 - 44035 of 81564


Labour’s love of inherited privilege shows a lack of class



By Toby Young Politics Last updated: July 20th, 2014

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100280755/labours-love-of-inherited-privilege-shows-a-lack-of-class/



Emily Benn, speaking at Westminster Academy school in London back in 2010 (Photo: EPA)


No wonder there was rejoicing on Labour’s front benches when Michael Gove was shuffled off to the Whips’ Office. The socialist firebrands were clearly worried that if Britain’s schools become any more meritocratic, they might not be able to pass on their own inherited privileges.

You see, it is one of the ironies of contemporary politics that the hereditary principle holds most sway within the Labour Party. How else to explain the news that Emily Benn, granddaughter of Tony, has been selected as its candidate in Croydon South? If she wins, she will be the fifth generation of her family to serve in the House of Commons.

The Wedgwood Benns may be the most long-standing (and aristocratic) of Labour dynasties, but they are far from the only one. Stephen Kinnock, son of former leader Neil and husband of the Danish prime minister, will fight the safe seat of Aberavon in South Wales in 2015. Will Straw, son of Jack, is the candidate in Rossendale and Darwen. Other scions of Labour grandees waiting in the wings are Euan Blair, rumoured to be circling Coventry North West, and Joe Dromey, son of MPs Jack Dromey and Harriet Harman, who is said to be interested in Lewisham Deptford.

In truth, family ties are probably just as important in the Conservative Party – but at least the Tories have the good grace to be embarrassed about it. Hence last week’s reshuffle, in which various middle-aged white men were sacked or demoted. Yet it has always baffled me that the Labour Party, which is supposed to stand up for the little guy, makes such feeble attempts to conceal the power of its own ruling class.

The present leader is a case in point. The son of a famous Marxist professor, he went to the Eton of north London comprehensives and lives in a £2.5 million house in the area. Yet that doesn’t stop him playing the class card at every opportunity, referring to David Cameron’s “Cabinet of millionaires” and advocating a “mansion” tax.

Why isn’t Ed Miliband more troubled by these internal contradictions? The only explanation I can think of is that, historically, Labour hasn’t been punished for not practising what it preaches. The party’s working-class supporters remained loyal, in spite of the fact that its Oxford-educated leaders always sent their children to private schools, dined on oysters and champagne and holidayed in the south of France.

That, presumably, is why Labour’s panjandrums have no qualms about seeing Emily Benn selected to fight Croydon South. If the Hon Tristram Hunt’s title didn’t prevent him from accusing Gove – adopted at the age of four months by an Aberdeen fishmonger – of being an “elitist”, why should Emily Benn’s aristocratic lineage keep her from representing the poor and downtrodden?

Having a title among the Tories, by contrast, is the kiss of death – as the Hon Douglas Hurd discovered when he stood for the leadership in 1990. “This is inverted snobbery,” he declared. “I thought I was running for the leader of the Conservative Party, not some demented Marxist sect.”

As a politically ambitious Hon myself, I often think I would have fared better in the Labour Party, particularly since my father was ennobled by James Callaghan. Like Euan Blair, Stephen Kinnock and Will Straw, I could have been a “red prince”.

Still, thanks to the rise of Ukip, the days when Labour could take its working-class support for granted, regardless of how privileged its leaders were, may be coming to an end. If I were Chris Philp, the state-educated Tory candidate in Croydon South, I’d be quite pleased that my Labour opponent is the Hon Emily Wedgwood Benn, daughter of the third Viscount Stansgate. Perhaps he could even play the class card himself.

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 10:05 - 44036 of 81564

What a dollop of diversionary twaddle.

The major problem with Gove and others in this motley government is that the changes come on top of changes and do not give a chance for previous policies to bed down.

Lansley and Gov have created disillusionment in their various "departments" and produce lack of direction.

Ask parents of children in many of the schools and those exposed to changes in the NHS system.

Both failed, because the refused to listen to opinions of others who had practical experience.

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I think Toby Young is a con party zealot with policy suitable for a con or ukip party.


(Are the latter the same any-way with a few undisclosed BNP.)

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Ps.

My father would have been proud for his sons and daughters to follow him is his profession, but was also happy with our choice of other professions. So be it for Kinnock, whose father was a coal miner.

Kinnock did not appeal to me, but I congratulate him on his own and his family's success.

Similar for the Ben family, at least they had belief in the future and improvement if society as a whole, rather than a place to plunder out of self interest.

(You may disagree with the future or goals they were working to.)

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 10:12 - 44037 of 81564

Kinnock was a liar and a false person filling is pockets no more a labour man than IDS
the man is evil .

Haystack - 21 Jul 2014 10:18 - 44038 of 81564

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28393377

UK to post strongest growth in G7, says Item Club

The UK economy will grow faster in 2014 than any other G7 economy, while low wage rises will ensure interest rates do not rise until next year, an influential report has forecast.

ExecLine - 21 Jul 2014 10:28 - 44039 of 81564

Self explanatory YouTube clip.....

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