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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 08:36 - 44032 of 81564

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 08:36 - 44033 of 81564

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TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 09:03 - 44034 of 81564

why do all cowards cover their faces why do all cowards hide behind children and old women . the answer is their they are COWARDS .

MaxK - 21 Jul 2014 09:32 - 44035 of 81564


Labour’s love of inherited privilege shows a lack of class



By Toby Young Politics Last updated: July 20th, 2014

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100280755/labours-love-of-inherited-privilege-shows-a-lack-of-class/



Emily Benn, speaking at Westminster Academy school in London back in 2010 (Photo: EPA)


No wonder there was rejoicing on Labour’s front benches when Michael Gove was shuffled off to the Whips’ Office. The socialist firebrands were clearly worried that if Britain’s schools become any more meritocratic, they might not be able to pass on their own inherited privileges.

You see, it is one of the ironies of contemporary politics that the hereditary principle holds most sway within the Labour Party. How else to explain the news that Emily Benn, granddaughter of Tony, has been selected as its candidate in Croydon South? If she wins, she will be the fifth generation of her family to serve in the House of Commons.

The Wedgwood Benns may be the most long-standing (and aristocratic) of Labour dynasties, but they are far from the only one. Stephen Kinnock, son of former leader Neil and husband of the Danish prime minister, will fight the safe seat of Aberavon in South Wales in 2015. Will Straw, son of Jack, is the candidate in Rossendale and Darwen. Other scions of Labour grandees waiting in the wings are Euan Blair, rumoured to be circling Coventry North West, and Joe Dromey, son of MPs Jack Dromey and Harriet Harman, who is said to be interested in Lewisham Deptford.

In truth, family ties are probably just as important in the Conservative Party – but at least the Tories have the good grace to be embarrassed about it. Hence last week’s reshuffle, in which various middle-aged white men were sacked or demoted. Yet it has always baffled me that the Labour Party, which is supposed to stand up for the little guy, makes such feeble attempts to conceal the power of its own ruling class.

The present leader is a case in point. The son of a famous Marxist professor, he went to the Eton of north London comprehensives and lives in a £2.5 million house in the area. Yet that doesn’t stop him playing the class card at every opportunity, referring to David Cameron’s “Cabinet of millionaires” and advocating a “mansion” tax.

Why isn’t Ed Miliband more troubled by these internal contradictions? The only explanation I can think of is that, historically, Labour hasn’t been punished for not practising what it preaches. The party’s working-class supporters remained loyal, in spite of the fact that its Oxford-educated leaders always sent their children to private schools, dined on oysters and champagne and holidayed in the south of France.

That, presumably, is why Labour’s panjandrums have no qualms about seeing Emily Benn selected to fight Croydon South. If the Hon Tristram Hunt’s title didn’t prevent him from accusing Gove – adopted at the age of four months by an Aberdeen fishmonger – of being an “elitist”, why should Emily Benn’s aristocratic lineage keep her from representing the poor and downtrodden?

Having a title among the Tories, by contrast, is the kiss of death – as the Hon Douglas Hurd discovered when he stood for the leadership in 1990. “This is inverted snobbery,” he declared. “I thought I was running for the leader of the Conservative Party, not some demented Marxist sect.”

As a politically ambitious Hon myself, I often think I would have fared better in the Labour Party, particularly since my father was ennobled by James Callaghan. Like Euan Blair, Stephen Kinnock and Will Straw, I could have been a “red prince”.

Still, thanks to the rise of Ukip, the days when Labour could take its working-class support for granted, regardless of how privileged its leaders were, may be coming to an end. If I were Chris Philp, the state-educated Tory candidate in Croydon South, I’d be quite pleased that my Labour opponent is the Hon Emily Wedgwood Benn, daughter of the third Viscount Stansgate. Perhaps he could even play the class card himself.

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 10:05 - 44036 of 81564

What a dollop of diversionary twaddle.

The major problem with Gove and others in this motley government is that the changes come on top of changes and do not give a chance for previous policies to bed down.

Lansley and Gov have created disillusionment in their various "departments" and produce lack of direction.

Ask parents of children in many of the schools and those exposed to changes in the NHS system.

Both failed, because the refused to listen to opinions of others who had practical experience.

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I think Toby Young is a con party zealot with policy suitable for a con or ukip party.


(Are the latter the same any-way with a few undisclosed BNP.)

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Ps.

My father would have been proud for his sons and daughters to follow him is his profession, but was also happy with our choice of other professions. So be it for Kinnock, whose father was a coal miner.

Kinnock did not appeal to me, but I congratulate him on his own and his family's success.

Similar for the Ben family, at least they had belief in the future and improvement if society as a whole, rather than a place to plunder out of self interest.

(You may disagree with the future or goals they were working to.)

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 10:12 - 44037 of 81564

Kinnock was a liar and a false person filling is pockets no more a labour man than IDS
the man is evil .

Haystack - 21 Jul 2014 10:18 - 44038 of 81564

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28393377

UK to post strongest growth in G7, says Item Club

The UK economy will grow faster in 2014 than any other G7 economy, while low wage rises will ensure interest rates do not rise until next year, an influential report has forecast.

ExecLine - 21 Jul 2014 10:28 - 44039 of 81564

Self explanatory YouTube clip.....

ExecLine - 21 Jul 2014 10:37 - 44040 of 81564

Oh dear! As tax payers, what are we to make of this situation? The following is a warning of what can happen if you go a bit too hard with tax avoidance and let the tax tail wag your dog.....

July 11, 2014 6:49 pm
Bankruptcy looms for tax scheme investors
By Adam Palin

Investors in tax arrangements that are the focus of a government crackdown face potential financial ruin, advisers warned, as their clients are landed with tax demands well in excess of their initial investments.

While a growing number of investors seek redress against promoters of tax-saving schemes, bills from the tax authority for their involvement threaten personal wealth beyond the amount of tax saved.

Investors in an array of schemes that involved heavy borrowing to leverage tax-saving arrangements face demands to pay tax on their partnerships’ “sub-licensing” payments, which HM Revenue & Customs treats as income and therefore liable for tax.

One investor in a film partnership currently under scrutiny told the Financial Times that the tax bill outlined in a recent letter from the tax authority leaves him facing the prospect of bankruptcy.

The Eclipse partnership which he entered involved a highly leveraged investment to buy the distribution rights to films including Pirates of the Caribbean 2: Dead Man’s Chest, with intentional operational losses qualifying for income tax relief.

In what he describes as “an incredibly aggressive stance”, the investor says HMRC has requested tax on partnership income that was never received by individual investors. The tax bill that he and fellow investors face is many times greater than the amount put in.

“From a total investment of around £300,000, I anticipate a final liability of seven or eight times what I put in,” he says. “It’s absolutely life-changing.”

Tina Riches, national tax partner at Smith & Williamson, said that many scheme investors, particularly those who have retired or are on modest incomes today, are vulnerable.

“For every celebrity that hits the headlines, there are another 50 members of the public facing potential hardship [as a result of the clampdown],” said Martin Taylor, head of client relations at Rebus, a claims management firm. “There are a lot of worried people out there.”

For every celebrity that hits the headlines, there are another 50 members of the public facing potential hardship. There are a lot of worried people out there
- Martin Taylor, Rebus

In a statement, the tax authority said that where loans have been used “to artificially inflate the losses claimed” by a scheme investor . . . “this may give rise to unexpected tax consequences for the users if HMRC don’t agree the scheme works as intended, beyond the amount expected to be avoided”.

A tribunal found in HMRC’s favour against Eclipse 35, a scheme from the same promoter, Future Capital Partners. The group is confident of overturning this verdict at the court of appeal next year.

In correspondence last month, the tax authority said that it views other Eclipse schemes as “nearly identical in structure” to Eclipse 35.

In an earlier letter to the investor, also seen by the FT, HMRC requested that he pay a sum of almost £900,000 within 28 days of receipt. The notice – which was appealed – recommended payment via cheque, debit or credit card payment.

The investor said an offer to pay the total personal tax relief enjoyed, plus interest, was rejected outright by the tax authority. “If I had stashed my money away in Switzerland, there’s a hotline that I could have called to settle [the disputed tax] . . . Where’s my deal?”

Michael Avient, personal tax partner at UHY Hacker Young, said: “It is quite clear that the Revenue have been told that they need to collect more tax [from scheme investors]. The Revenue will quite happily bankrupt someone.”

HMRC dismisses these claims. Although it does not discuss individual cases, the authority said that “instalment arrangements will be available for those who genuinely need them. HMRC has an outstanding record in supporting those with payment problems.”

The Revenue’s increasingly hard line against taxpayers deemed to have avoided tax is, however, reflected by comments made this week by one of its senior officers.

Jim Harra, director-general of business tax at HMRC, said that the people taking up such schemes are not the “hardworking” majority. “They are the 43,000 affluent people who knowingly signed up to an avoidance scheme in full awareness they were using artificial arrangements to reduce their tax bill. I have no sympathy for these people.”

ExecLine - 21 Jul 2014 10:45 - 44041 of 81564

The taxman believes more than 33,000 individuals and 10,000 companies are members of known and recognised avoidance schemes.

Between them they owe an estimated £4.9billion – equal to an average of about £114,000 each, although some are thought to owe millions of pounds in tax.

Thousands of celebrities, sports stars and wealthy professionals have been warned that they face massive bills following a clampdown on tax avoidance schemes.

HM Revenue and Customs is publishing a list of 1,200 avoidance schemes, each scheme identified by a 'number' and whose members will be told to pay up within 90 days.

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 11:48 - 44042 of 81564

aldi
liddles
amazon
starbucks
google
subway
all pay no taxes in the uk
avoid them.

goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 14:02 - 44043 of 81564

UK - YouGov poll on #EU referendum:

38% would vote for Britain to remain in the EU;

39% for Britain to leave.

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 14:12 - 44044 of 81564

EVER ONE I TALK WANT OUT N ONE WANTS TO STAY IN .

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 14:14 - 44045 of 81564

mc donalds uses sub standard chicken and beef f you saw it you would not buy it

goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 14:20 - 44046 of 81564

How do you know??????

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 14:20 - 44047 of 81564

RYANAIR . DO NOT TRAVEL WITH SEE COMPANY ASK THE CEO WHY THEY DO NOT GIVE A SHITE ABOUT THEIR PASSENGERS , AFTER SEEING THAT VIDEO YOU CAN SUE FOR DAMAGE SO SUE .

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 14:21 - 44048 of 81564

FROM A WORKER WHO WORKS IN SUPPLY

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 14:22 - 44049 of 81564

AND IF YOU SAW PRINGLES BEING MADE YOU WOULD NEVER EAT THE CRAP.

Haystack - 21 Jul 2014 14:24 - 44050 of 81564

We are all going to die!

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 14:26 - 44051 of 81564

HAY . yes we will all die the difference is I no we will never come back like these dumb idiots who think they will .god does not exist its a bloody fairy tale .
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