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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 15:48 - 44080 of 81564

A tribunal found in HMRC’s favour against Eclipse 35

Cynic just what dont you understand??????

For god sake a Tribunal as found the tax dodgers to be CHEATS.

Some of these schemes will of course go to a higher court but they are wasting thier time, they have been caught with their hands in the till.

Meanwhile as the dodgers have to pay up in some cases with in 28 to 90 days they will go bankrupt as court cases will be mid 2015.

I say hard luck cheating scumsters you deserve everything you get.

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 15:48 - 44081 of 81564

cynic . wrong most of these takeaway outlets use sub standard meat and products not fit for human consumption .and have for years and yes I do no . I have seen it with my own eyes would never eat the shit . our children eating these shit will not see 60

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 15:50 - 44082 of 81564

gold . no not hard luck you fcuking cheats time to pay your dues

cynic - 21 Jul 2014 15:57 - 44083 of 81564

sticky - i confess i was unaware that this case had already been through a first tribunal, and that HMRC had first raised flags in 2011

anyway, the attached link is well worth reading and interesting .......
http://www.pannone.com/solicitors-for-business/dispute-resolution/claims-against-financial-advisors/film-partnership

goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 15:58 - 44084 of 81564

Stars given 90 days to pay back tax they avoided: Clampdown on celebrity-backed schemes

HMRC will identify the schemes only by their serial numbers
Liberty scheme used by high-profile figures including George Michael, Sir Michael Caine and Katie Melua
Taxman believes more than 33,000 individuals and 10,000 companies are members of the schemes
By JASON GROVES

Thousands of celebrities, sports stars and wealthy professionals will be warned today that they face massive bills following a clampdown on tax avoidance schemes.
HM Revenue and Customs is publishing a list of 1,200 avoidance schemes whose members will be told to pay up within 90 days.
HMRC will identify the schemes only by their serial numbers. However, its list is understood to include the Liberty scheme, reportedly used by a string of high-profile figures including George Michael, Sir Michael Caine and Katie Melua.
Take That: Gary Barlow (left), Howard Donald, Jason Orange and Mark Owen. Barlow, Owen, Donald and their manager Jonathan Wild are reported to have invested some £26million in schemes
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Take That: Gary Barlow (left), Howard Donald, Jason Orange and Mark Owen. Barlow, Owen, Donald and their manager Jonathan Wild are reported to have invested some £26million in schemes
The scheme’s 1,600 members are also believed to include business tycoons, lawyers, doctors and other wealthy individuals.
It was wound up in 2009 when a tax loophole was closed, but a test case relating to members’ tax avoidance is not due to be heard until next year.

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HMRC’s clampdown is also thought to cover the so-called Icebreaker schemes in which Take That’s Gary Barlow, Mark Owen, Howard Donald and manager Jonathan Wild are reported to have invested some £26million.
The taxman believes more than 33,000 individuals and 10,000 companies are members of the schemes being published today.
Between them they owe an estimated £4.9billion – equal to an average of about £114,000 each, although some are thought to owe millions of pounds in tax.
Katie Melua is reportedly part of the Liberty scheme
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Katie Melua is reportedly part of the Liberty scheme
Members of the schemes will not face criminal charges, but letters will demand they make ‘accelerated payments’. Experts warn that this could force some into bankruptcy.
Tory MP Charlie Elphicke last night welcomed the move, saying the rich should be subject to the same tax laws as everyone else.
He said members of the public would have little sympathy for wealthy individuals who had tried to avoid paying their fair share. ‘It is quite right that the Revenue is taking the battle to people who are using their wealth to game our tax system,’ Mr Elphicke said.
‘The behaviour of these people means that hard-working families who do the right thing and pay their taxes have to pay more to support the services we all use.
‘Most people entering these schemes know they are unfair and wrong – they enter these schemes with their eyes wide open.
‘They are taking a gamble on not being caught. What they are doing is unacceptable and wrong.’
The Treasury declined to comment in detail on the individual schemes targeted in the clampdown.
However, failure to make payments demanded by HMRC today could result in criminal charges.
HMRC’s decision to publish the list of schemes follows an announcement in the Budget of new rules to make it easier for the taxman to close avoidance schemes.
Accountancy firms are now required by law to reveal details of schemes that may be viewed as tax -avoidance arrangements.
And instead of pursuing each case through the courts for years, HMRC may now issue demands for immediate payment.
David Elliott, a partner at accountants Moore Stephens, said today’s letters were likely to place some individuals in severe difficulty.
He told Accountancy Age: ‘Receiving a demand to make up-front payment of tax could put some taxpayers under financial strain, and in the very worst cases, could even trigger personal bankruptcies or business insolvencies before the technical merits of the arrangement have been tested.
‘Even a remote prospect of being made bankrupt could mean that taxpayers feel under pressure to settle disputed cases rather than take an appeal to the courts.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2692213/Stars-given-90-days-pay-tax-avoided-Clampdown-celebrity-backed-schemes.html#ixzz387ClDM3V
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goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 16:00 - 44085 of 81564

Tory MP Charlie Elphicke last night welcomed the move, saying the rich should be subject to the same tax laws as everyone else.
He said members of the public would have little sympathy for wealthy individuals who had tried to avoid paying their fair share. ‘It is quite right that the Revenue is taking the battle to people who are using their wealth to game our tax system,’ Mr Elphicke said.
‘The behaviour of these people means that hard-working families who do the right thing and pay their taxes have to pay more to support the services we all use.
‘Most people entering these schemes know they are unfair and wrong – they enter these schemes with their eyes wide open.
‘They are taking a gamble on not being caught. What they are doing is unacceptable and wrong.’
The Treasury declined to comment in detail on the individual schemes targeted in the clampdown.

goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 16:01 - 44086 of 81564

‘Most people entering these schemes know they are unfair and wrong – they enter these schemes with their eyes wide open.
‘They are taking a gamble on not being caught. What they are doing is unacceptable and wrong.’
The Treasury declined to comment in detail on the individual schemes targeted in the clampdown.

cynic - 21 Jul 2014 16:01 - 44087 of 81564

shame you swamp everything within 2 seconds of what i think was an interesting post :-)

for those who missed, try
http://www.pannone.com/solicitors-for-business/dispute-resolution/claims-against-financial-advisors/film-partnership

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 16:04 - 44088 of 81564

Cynic,

For god's sake put your hand in Hazy One's pocket and pay your tax and stop avoiding your responsibility.

Both you and Hazy one must have read the same books as the Pute!

goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 16:04 - 44089 of 81564

Cheats Cheats Cheats Cheats Scummy Cheats,

cynic - 21 Jul 2014 16:06 - 44090 of 81564

like you no doubt, i have a pension, but i think no other tax avoidance scheme

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 16:07 - 44091 of 81564

why did cynic post when he did not no the facts made him look a plonker

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 16:08 - 44092 of 81564

Manuel,

Pick up your ISA.

Fred1new - 21 Jul 2014 16:08 - 44093 of 81564

,

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 16:09 - 44094 of 81564

the companies who set these up should be closed down and the ceo jailed and made bankrupt

2517GEORGE - 21 Jul 2014 16:11 - 44095 of 81564

Anne Robinson is taking her grievance to 'Watchdog'
Don't know much about Elphicke but seems a bit rich that coming from an MP, maybe he got his eye on even more generous subsidies for our hard pressed Parliamentarians.
2517

cynic - 21 Jul 2014 16:17 - 44096 of 81564

clearly MrT, you were not in control of (m)any facts either, or you too would have picked up the article that i did and commented on same
mind you, you are so busy posting loads and loads of total drivel and nonsense and half truths and general abuse, that no doubt you have no time for such things

goldfinger - 21 Jul 2014 16:21 - 44097 of 81564

These 30,000 cheats should be made to do community service.

They should spend a year cleaning pavements, paths, parks graviti and canals alongside local council workers who should over see the job they are doing.

Sanctions imposed if they dont come up to scratch.

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 16:21 - 44098 of 81564

every thing I post is in the papers and in health mags if you spens some money you could read about the filthy takeaways .and the dyes they put in to food to colour the shit

TANKER - 21 Jul 2014 16:24 - 44099 of 81564

gold you have hit the nail on the head with these scum cheating the country .
not only should they pay it back but with interest of at least 10% for ever year .
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