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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 14:05 - 4421 of 6906

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It could be more like Mogadishu these days as per 'Black Hawk Down'.

required field - 24 Feb 2011 14:06 - 4422 of 6906

Perhaps they could tempt Gaddafi away with a 20% discount card from Harrods ?....just a thought...

required field - 24 Feb 2011 14:07 - 4423 of 6906

Not seen that film......anyway on a serious note....hope for Libya and its people that this is resolved quickly,...another country like Iraq that should be one of the wealthiest on the planet..instead nothing but grief....

In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 14:09 - 4424 of 6906

No, parrot, some of the criticism of Israel, indeed much of it is NOT anti-semitic.
But you are.
I would be the first to agree Israel has, like ALL nation states, made plenty of mistakes and done plenty I disagree with, but your hatred is pathological as anyone bar freddiefewbrains realises from all your obsessive posts.
Remember how you posted saying you refused to be objective - that said it all.
Destroying Israel is all your nazi mind can come up with.
Instead of your armchair fascism why don't you go and put your life on the line in Gaza with your terrorist friends. Do us all a favour LOL

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 14:19 - 4425 of 6906

ITLOTB
No one is objective. there is no such thing. As soon as you have an opinion you are not objective. I have never said I wanted to destroy Israel except as a concept. I want the land to be shared by both sides and be called Palestine, which is what it is. Hamas in Gaza are not terrorists. They are a resistance force, resisting having their land stolen. This would happen anywhere. In the War it was caled the 'French Resistance' and they fought the occupying force. That's just one example. In the West Bank Israel are the occupying force. If anyone is facist then it is Israel.

cynic - 24 Feb 2011 14:20 - 4426 of 6906

No one is objective. there is no such thing .... what utter balderdash!

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 14:32 - 4427 of 6906

Having views about both sides of an argument does not make you objective. I have various views on this subject. some of them are pro israel and some are pro Palestinian. Some are anti both. My overall view is pro Palestinian and anti Israel.

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In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 14:41 - 4428 of 6906

parrot is simply a figure of fun
you can't take someone like that seriously
when he copies and pastes he churns out propaganda
when he makes a gargantuan attempt to say something which he hasn't purloined from elsewhere he just demonstrates how profoundly stupid and ignorant he is
just like a nazi..........

cynic - 24 Feb 2011 14:51 - 4429 of 6906

haystack - you'ld even make a bad politician .... you really do spout utter tripe most regularly, often evading the question and even contradicting yourself from time to time .... just because you may lack the ability to view matters objectively, or even in a balanced manner (almost but not quite the same) please do not presume that others are so debilitated

In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 14:59 - 4430 of 6906

Don't get too sophisticated for him, he thinks a nice distinction is a biscuit that's won a prize.

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 15:00 - 4431 of 6906

I just regard the two posts above as silly attempts to nullify my comments about Israel, so we will have to just differ.

ITLOTB
The use of terms like Nazi just make you seem even more foolish. It is not even worth discussing it. Just the constant use of words like that indicate that you have lost the argument.

In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 15:05 - 4432 of 6906

dream on sweetie
and take the little white ones with a glass of water every four hours and you'll soon feel better

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 15:10 - 4433 of 6906

ITLOTB
You get sillier by the day.

The ex Lybian Justice Minister has just said that Gadaffi has around 25 tons of chemical and bioligical weapons that he will not hesitate to use.

cynic - 24 Feb 2011 15:45 - 4434 of 6906

as i said, you evade ..... your innate problem is a mindset of cement and thus an inability to create balance - indeed, you say or imply that you don't even want to, which is something one expects of a child but not of an intelligent adult - and perhaps therein lies the problem

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 16:15 - 4435 of 6906

There is no balanced argument in this situation. It is a bit like being mugged and trying to see the situation from the mugger's point of view. That is the province of the justice system and maybe welfare/probation. The last thing the person being mugged needs is a balanced view. Similarly an onlooker would be unlikely to have a balanced view of the situation either and would prefer to see the mugger locked up at the very least.
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cynic - 24 Feb 2011 16:26 - 4436 of 6906

mindset and cement - enough said as far as i am concerned

In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 16:30 - 4437 of 6906

Don't be seduced by the hay crap.
Essentially the situation is similar to most in the world where you have two peoples who have claims to the same land. Look at India/Pakistan/Kashmir, Greece/Turkey/Cyprus and a whole host of less well known conflicts.
In the end only division of the land keeps both sides reasonably at peace, and that is what the UN did with the old British mandated lands in 1948. The Arabs never accepted that and the neighbouring Arab countries told the Palestinian Arabs to get out whilst they destroyed Israel. The rest is history and no amount of hysterical screaming and one sided arguments and false analogies from the parrot on a BB or anyone else on the planet makes any difference at all. It's up to the Israelis and the Palestinian Arabs to reach some sort of agreement and the suffering will continue until they do. Both sides have made mistakes and both sides need to make compromises and give up cherished dreams to create a real peace.
The alternatives are an uneasy truce, more wars and even a nuclear holocaust.
Even messier than any of those is the parrot eventually imploding under the weight of his stupifying ignorance and self conceit. At least that is inevitable.....and will be fun to watch.

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 17:10 - 4438 of 6906

Why should the Palestinaisn accept having their land taken? Israel has not even kept to the land areas that were allocated. They have just taken more and more land. It is just old fashioned colonialism. There is not going to be any peace agreement without Israel withdrawing from the occupied land in the west Bank at the very least. Instead of giving up illegally taken land they are just taking more. The ultra religious parts of Israel government claim that all the land west of the Jordan belongs to Israel. That policy means no peace ever.

In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 17:23 - 4439 of 6906

The Arabs lost land by repeatingly attacking Israel and trying to wipe her out. Every time they failed. freddiefewbrains and the parrot on his shoulder must have been so depressed when the Jews weren't slaughtered again.
What I do not agree with is building on land which will form part of a future Palestine.
Isreal has always said land back in exchange for peace and they did that returning Sinai to Egypt when the latter made peace.
The settlements in Gaza were plain wrong to me but they evacuated them and gave all Gaza back. What did they get in return? Rockets, missiles and suicide attacks.
No wonder they don't trust the Palestinians, especially your terrorist mates, Hamas.
Eventually there will be peace but no thanks to those extremists such as the parrot.

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 17:37 - 4440 of 6906

Of course they attacked Israel. The allocation of land to form Israel was done without consultation or permissions of the Arabs. A resolution by the UN was passed, but never implemented because the Arabs started a war when they saw the details. The land was split up 55% to what is now israel and 45% to Palesinians. At the time the populations were 31% Jewish and 69% Arab. that meant that the UN gave 55% of the land to 31% of the people. Even worse, at the time of partition the Jewish population owned less than 6% of the land. It was only due to the European Zionist movement started in the late 1800s that the demographic was like that anyway. In 1925 it was 85% Arab, in 1925 it was 95% and in 1877 it was 97% Arab. Any country treated that way would go to war. It is nothing like India. The country was partitioned along ethnic boundaries into countries. Since then none of the parties have been expansionist like Israel.
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