Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Haystack
- 24 Feb 2011 14:19
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ITLOTB
No one is objective. there is no such thing. As soon as you have an opinion you are not objective. I have never said I wanted to destroy Israel except as a concept. I want the land to be shared by both sides and be called Palestine, which is what it is. Hamas in Gaza are not terrorists. They are a resistance force, resisting having their land stolen. This would happen anywhere. In the War it was caled the 'French Resistance' and they fought the occupying force. That's just one example. In the West Bank Israel are the occupying force. If anyone is facist then it is Israel.
cynic
- 24 Feb 2011 14:20
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No one is objective. there is no such thing .... what utter balderdash!
In The Land of the B
- 24 Feb 2011 14:41
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parrot is simply a figure of fun
you can't take someone like that seriously
when he copies and pastes he churns out propaganda
when he makes a gargantuan attempt to say something which he hasn't purloined from elsewhere he just demonstrates how profoundly stupid and ignorant he is
just like a nazi..........
cynic
- 24 Feb 2011 14:51
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haystack - you'ld even make a bad politician .... you really do spout utter tripe most regularly, often evading the question and even contradicting yourself from time to time .... just because you may lack the ability to view matters objectively, or even in a balanced manner (almost but not quite the same) please do not presume that others are so debilitated
In The Land of the B
- 24 Feb 2011 14:59
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Don't get too sophisticated for him, he thinks a nice distinction is a biscuit that's won a prize.
Haystack
- 24 Feb 2011 15:00
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I just regard the two posts above as silly attempts to nullify my comments about Israel, so we will have to just differ.
ITLOTB
The use of terms like Nazi just make you seem even more foolish. It is not even worth discussing it. Just the constant use of words like that indicate that you have lost the argument.
In The Land of the B
- 24 Feb 2011 15:05
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dream on sweetie
and take the little white ones with a glass of water every four hours and you'll soon feel better
Haystack
- 24 Feb 2011 15:10
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ITLOTB
You get sillier by the day.
The ex Lybian Justice Minister has just said that Gadaffi has around 25 tons of chemical and bioligical weapons that he will not hesitate to use.
cynic
- 24 Feb 2011 15:45
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as i said, you evade ..... your innate problem is a mindset of cement and thus an inability to create balance - indeed, you say or imply that you don't even want to, which is something one expects of a child but not of an intelligent adult - and perhaps therein lies the problem
cynic
- 24 Feb 2011 16:26
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mindset and cement - enough said as far as i am concerned
In The Land of the B
- 24 Feb 2011 16:30
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Don't be seduced by the hay crap.
Essentially the situation is similar to most in the world where you have two peoples who have claims to the same land. Look at India/Pakistan/Kashmir, Greece/Turkey/Cyprus and a whole host of less well known conflicts.
In the end only division of the land keeps both sides reasonably at peace, and that is what the UN did with the old British mandated lands in 1948. The Arabs never accepted that and the neighbouring Arab countries told the Palestinian Arabs to get out whilst they destroyed Israel. The rest is history and no amount of hysterical screaming and one sided arguments and false analogies from the parrot on a BB or anyone else on the planet makes any difference at all. It's up to the Israelis and the Palestinian Arabs to reach some sort of agreement and the suffering will continue until they do. Both sides have made mistakes and both sides need to make compromises and give up cherished dreams to create a real peace.
The alternatives are an uneasy truce, more wars and even a nuclear holocaust.
Even messier than any of those is the parrot eventually imploding under the weight of his stupifying ignorance and self conceit. At least that is inevitable.....and will be fun to watch.
Haystack
- 24 Feb 2011 17:10
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Why should the Palestinaisn accept having their land taken? Israel has not even kept to the land areas that were allocated. They have just taken more and more land. It is just old fashioned colonialism. There is not going to be any peace agreement without Israel withdrawing from the occupied land in the west Bank at the very least. Instead of giving up illegally taken land they are just taking more. The ultra religious parts of Israel government claim that all the land west of the Jordan belongs to Israel. That policy means no peace ever.
In The Land of the B
- 24 Feb 2011 17:23
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The Arabs lost land by repeatingly attacking Israel and trying to wipe her out. Every time they failed. freddiefewbrains and the parrot on his shoulder must have been so depressed when the Jews weren't slaughtered again.
What I do not agree with is building on land which will form part of a future Palestine.
Isreal has always said land back in exchange for peace and they did that returning Sinai to Egypt when the latter made peace.
The settlements in Gaza were plain wrong to me but they evacuated them and gave all Gaza back. What did they get in return? Rockets, missiles and suicide attacks.
No wonder they don't trust the Palestinians, especially your terrorist mates, Hamas.
Eventually there will be peace but no thanks to those extremists such as the parrot.
Haystack
- 24 Feb 2011 17:37
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Of course they attacked Israel. The allocation of land to form Israel was done without consultation or permissions of the Arabs. A resolution by the UN was passed, but never implemented because the Arabs started a war when they saw the details. The land was split up 55% to what is now israel and 45% to Palesinians. At the time the populations were 31% Jewish and 69% Arab. that meant that the UN gave 55% of the land to 31% of the people. Even worse, at the time of partition the Jewish population owned less than 6% of the land. It was only due to the European Zionist movement started in the late 1800s that the demographic was like that anyway. In 1925 it was 85% Arab, in 1925 it was 95% and in 1877 it was 97% Arab. Any country treated that way would go to war. It is nothing like India. The country was partitioned along ethnic boundaries into countries. Since then none of the parties have been expansionist like Israel.
cynic
- 24 Feb 2011 17:40
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ITLOB - i suspect your statement is somewhat suspect ..... among many other things -
ISRAEL continues to allow settlements to encroach further with some masquerade of justification .....
ISRAEL blocks some pretty basic humanitarian aid, again under some pretty flimsy pretexts .....
HAMAS pretends self-defense ....
HAMAS pretends that its "struggle" is solely for the betterment of the palestinians in gaza .....
HAMAS pretends it wants an equable and peaceful settlement to allow palestinians at least reasonable autonomy
HAMAS lines its pockets handsomely from tolls (extortion) on goods being smuggled through the tunnels from egypt .....
USA is totally lily-livered in its stance to israel, while hypocritically wringing its hands in dismay and horror at the continuing mess in the region
IRAN (and others) manipulates hamas for its own ends, none of which include peace especially with israel
Haystack
- 24 Feb 2011 17:45
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Hamas has to levy tolls as Israel permits no exports from Gaza. The intention is to prevent Gaza having money to buy goods. The levies replace taxes that cannot be levied on nothing. Hamas is not very close to Iran. Iran tries to cozy up to Hamas, but Hamas has no need of Iran.
In The Land of the B
- 24 Feb 2011 18:56
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Cynic,
I don't know why you say, "suspect", as nothing I've said is in disagreement with your post 4441; in fact I agree with you.
required field
- 25 Feb 2011 08:42
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Typical Britain : 2 planes sent to rescue britons in distress.....one broke down and the other had an insurance problem....just like this country.....full of --------.