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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 16:30 - 4437 of 6906

Don't be seduced by the hay crap.
Essentially the situation is similar to most in the world where you have two peoples who have claims to the same land. Look at India/Pakistan/Kashmir, Greece/Turkey/Cyprus and a whole host of less well known conflicts.
In the end only division of the land keeps both sides reasonably at peace, and that is what the UN did with the old British mandated lands in 1948. The Arabs never accepted that and the neighbouring Arab countries told the Palestinian Arabs to get out whilst they destroyed Israel. The rest is history and no amount of hysterical screaming and one sided arguments and false analogies from the parrot on a BB or anyone else on the planet makes any difference at all. It's up to the Israelis and the Palestinian Arabs to reach some sort of agreement and the suffering will continue until they do. Both sides have made mistakes and both sides need to make compromises and give up cherished dreams to create a real peace.
The alternatives are an uneasy truce, more wars and even a nuclear holocaust.
Even messier than any of those is the parrot eventually imploding under the weight of his stupifying ignorance and self conceit. At least that is inevitable.....and will be fun to watch.

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 17:10 - 4438 of 6906

Why should the Palestinaisn accept having their land taken? Israel has not even kept to the land areas that were allocated. They have just taken more and more land. It is just old fashioned colonialism. There is not going to be any peace agreement without Israel withdrawing from the occupied land in the west Bank at the very least. Instead of giving up illegally taken land they are just taking more. The ultra religious parts of Israel government claim that all the land west of the Jordan belongs to Israel. That policy means no peace ever.

In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 17:23 - 4439 of 6906

The Arabs lost land by repeatingly attacking Israel and trying to wipe her out. Every time they failed. freddiefewbrains and the parrot on his shoulder must have been so depressed when the Jews weren't slaughtered again.
What I do not agree with is building on land which will form part of a future Palestine.
Isreal has always said land back in exchange for peace and they did that returning Sinai to Egypt when the latter made peace.
The settlements in Gaza were plain wrong to me but they evacuated them and gave all Gaza back. What did they get in return? Rockets, missiles and suicide attacks.
No wonder they don't trust the Palestinians, especially your terrorist mates, Hamas.
Eventually there will be peace but no thanks to those extremists such as the parrot.

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 17:37 - 4440 of 6906

Of course they attacked Israel. The allocation of land to form Israel was done without consultation or permissions of the Arabs. A resolution by the UN was passed, but never implemented because the Arabs started a war when they saw the details. The land was split up 55% to what is now israel and 45% to Palesinians. At the time the populations were 31% Jewish and 69% Arab. that meant that the UN gave 55% of the land to 31% of the people. Even worse, at the time of partition the Jewish population owned less than 6% of the land. It was only due to the European Zionist movement started in the late 1800s that the demographic was like that anyway. In 1925 it was 85% Arab, in 1925 it was 95% and in 1877 it was 97% Arab. Any country treated that way would go to war. It is nothing like India. The country was partitioned along ethnic boundaries into countries. Since then none of the parties have been expansionist like Israel.

cynic - 24 Feb 2011 17:40 - 4441 of 6906

ITLOB - i suspect your statement is somewhat suspect ..... among many other things -

ISRAEL continues to allow settlements to encroach further with some masquerade of justification .....
ISRAEL blocks some pretty basic humanitarian aid, again under some pretty flimsy pretexts .....

HAMAS pretends self-defense ....
HAMAS pretends that its "struggle" is solely for the betterment of the palestinians in gaza .....
HAMAS pretends it wants an equable and peaceful settlement to allow palestinians at least reasonable autonomy
HAMAS lines its pockets handsomely from tolls (extortion) on goods being smuggled through the tunnels from egypt .....

USA is totally lily-livered in its stance to israel, while hypocritically wringing its hands in dismay and horror at the continuing mess in the region

IRAN (and others) manipulates hamas for its own ends, none of which include peace especially with israel

Haystack - 24 Feb 2011 17:45 - 4442 of 6906

Hamas has to levy tolls as Israel permits no exports from Gaza. The intention is to prevent Gaza having money to buy goods. The levies replace taxes that cannot be levied on nothing. Hamas is not very close to Iran. Iran tries to cozy up to Hamas, but Hamas has no need of Iran.

In The Land of the B - 24 Feb 2011 18:56 - 4443 of 6906

Cynic,
I don't know why you say, "suspect", as nothing I've said is in disagreement with your post 4441; in fact I agree with you.

required field - 25 Feb 2011 08:42 - 4444 of 6906

Typical Britain : 2 planes sent to rescue britons in distress.....one broke down and the other had an insurance problem....just like this country.....full of --------.

cynic - 25 Feb 2011 08:44 - 4445 of 6906

and then the elves said there weren't sufficient life jackets and parachutes nor baby-changing facilities - planes therefore grounded while a full investigation is conducted

Fred1new - 25 Feb 2011 15:04 - 4446 of 6906

RF/

What do you expect for a government of PR men who are trying to flog more weapons in the ME.

Mind Cameron should have a good tan.

fahel - 26 Feb 2011 16:23 - 4447 of 6906

Ex-CIA Analyst Ray McGovern Beaten, Arrested for Silent Protest at Clinton Speech
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/18/ex_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_beaten

Haystack - 27 Feb 2011 17:05 - 4448 of 6906

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201121814292835839.html#

"..most commentators followed Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's lead and criticised President Barack Obama's Administration for not supporting Mubarak. The Foreign News editor of one channel noted that: "The fact that the White House is permitting the protests is reason for worry;" while the prominent political analyst Ben Kaspit expressed his longing for President George W. Bush."

cynic - 27 Feb 2011 17:09 - 4449 of 6906

lest anyone should think otherwise, while aljazeera is indeed a very good news service, its bias is certainly and arguably heavily arab/palestinian ...... the thinking person will therefore temper his view having checked out BBC reporting


Haystack - 27 Feb 2011 17:22 - 4450 of 6906

And the news media in Israel that are being reported on above are heavily pro Israeli.

Fred1new - 27 Feb 2011 17:58 - 4451 of 6906

Nobody would have guessed the last two opinions!

cynic - 27 Feb 2011 18:36 - 4452 of 6906

fred - don't show yourself up as being more of a moron than usual ..... haystack's comment was totally precictable ... mine was really just the statement of something fairly obvious to anyone who knows much or even anything of m/e .... i could have been much (stupidly) provocative by commenting that al jazeerah is run out of jordan (i think) whence most palestinians in managerial jobs claim they originate - this should provoke a certain poster to draw a parallel with austria and germans of a certain political persuasion!

Haystack - 27 Feb 2011 19:03 - 4453 of 6906

Aljazeera is in Doha, Qatar. It is owned by Qatar Media Corporation which owns most of the media in Qatar.

Fred1new - 27 Feb 2011 23:26 - 4454 of 6906

Cynic.

As usual, you are your usual stupid provocative self.

The contents of your contributions rarely, if ever, add any value to the the thread.

Generally, you just expose your naivety, narrow mindedness and obvious unpleasantness.
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Interesting to see Arthur Daley and the new Dell boy trying to flog arms to the Egyptian military.

cynic - 28 Feb 2011 08:36 - 4455 of 6906

you will note that my initial post, which you predictably choose/chose to deride, was both balanced and UNprovocative ..... the second was intentional and patently effective in its effect

as usual, anyone who doesn't agree with you or haystack (i often disagree strongly with views expressed by others too) is, in your eyes, automatically "naive, narrow minded and unpleasant"

Fred1new - 28 Feb 2011 09:22 - 4456 of 6906

No.

But, but you are a special case.
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