Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

It's not only Cameroon gf, we know where he stands (for his rich mates and cheap labour)

Cleggy is all for more of the same.


But the real question is.

Where is Millibum and even newer labour?

Labour is supposed to stand up for the working class, yet cant shaft them quick enough. The unions are very quiet too. They're own supporters discarded and ignored.


Any ideas?

Very silly trivial political stereotyping. Looking after workers in terms of pay totally dependent on the economy. The size and efficiency of the economy affects all areas of life. The NHS, defence, infrastructure, benefits an all the things that people want come from money the government has. The ONLY source of money for the government is taxes of various types such as VAT, income tax, corporation tax, national insurance (it is a tax) etc.

The ONLY source of these taxes is businesses. Successful businesses produce more tax. Only the Conservatives have ever created an environment for business. Vote for others at your peril.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel?CMP=twt_gu

An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.

The officer, identified by the army only as Captain R, was charged this week with illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and other relatively minor infractions after emptying all 10 bullets from his gun's magazine into Iman al-Hams when she walked into a "security area" on the edge of Rafah refugee camp last month.

A 'clean kill' then? So that's nice isn't it? NO IT IS NOT!!!!!!!

These guys are surely sick in the head! As an Israeli army officer, one wonders if he is a typical example?

Apparently according to the Gazan Health Ministry, the Palestinian death toll stands at 1280 in 22 days of conflict.

Israel, too has lost 53 of its soldiers since conflict with Hamas began on 8 July.

Also, two civilians and a Thai national have died.

Don't these idiots realise, that the only way to ever end this conflict is by talking to each other and through negotiation? And negotiation means 'give and take' and surely must mean conceding points.

The whole area must be a hot bed of utter hate. With each side utterly despising the other it has to mean there is absolutely no chance of any peace deal happening any time yet.

lets face the real facts on gaza the PALESTIAN PEOPLE VOTED IN HAMAS .
a terrorists org who do not give a toss about the people in gaza .
hamas firing rockets from hospitals schools . they are cowards hiding behind children and women facts not fiction it is hamas that is killing the gaza people .
hamas are terrorist scum cowards covering their faces ,as for the leader he is fleecing has much money to retire in luxury like the ;leader before him .

tell me this is not fact .

Meanwhile our Government has sent £3million extra in humanitarian aid to Gaza, to top-up on the £7million already dished out by British taxpayers.

It helps with the bomb bill.

Vince has found a nu way of pissing money up the wall.




Driverless cars get green light for testing on public roads in UK


Vince Cable announces £10m fund for driverless car research and road law changes



Samuel Gibbs

theguardian.com, Wednesday 30 July 2014 10.09 BST



Self-driving cars like Google’s prototypes could be seen on UK roads in 2015. Photograph: Eric Risberg/AP



The UK is to encourage the development of driverless cars on its roads, it was announced on Wednesday, with a multimillion-pound research fund and a review into the relevant laws around road safety.

The business secretary, Vince Cable, said a £10m fund will be made available for driverless car researchers in the UK, joint funded by the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (Bis) and the Department for Transport (DfT).

“The excellence of our scientists and engineers has established the UK as pioneers in the development of driverless vehicles through pilot projects,” said Cable. “Today’s announcement will see driverless cars take to our streets in less than six months, putting us at the forefront of this transformational technology and opening up new opportunities for our economy and society.”



More twaddle here: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jul/30/government-driverless-car-self-driving-car

£10m is peanuts and not worth worrying about. Having said that, it is a waste of money. Driverless cars are not coming here in our lifetimes. Once again IT people are overestimating their abilities to solve and automate a complex problem. I remember going to a lecture in 1969. The head of the artificial intelligence department of one of the leading universities said that computers would be dealing in concepts to complex for humans within 10 years.

£10m on a nonsense system that will never work unless there is limitless money to throw at all the problems such a system would throw up.

Can you imagine how much a computer driven car would cost by the time you have installed all the sensors, actuators, fail safes etc?

They cant even get the sat-navs to work properly.

I like driving too much and I would not want to sit inside and be driven about by a driverless car.

The lady 'next door but one' is possibly a good candidate. I've often followed her in my 'sexist pig Merc Sport machine' and seen that she leaves the house at somewhere near to the speed of light - and then tries to filter into the 70mph dual carriageway at 35 mph.

Driverless cars are right up her street - but not mine, although we do live on the same one, IYSWIM.

And who the hell would you talk to?

eg,

"Hello driverless car. How are you today?"

"Feeling wicked! Fasten your seat belt a bit tighter!"

Tanker
Don't forget that the founders of Israel were terrorists who blew up British troops when the area was still Palestine. Then they became Prime Ministers and Presidents of Israel. Hamas are only 'terrorists' in relation to Israel. The original Israel also blew up innocent civlians. Unfortunately, that's what freedom fighters do. When and if Palestine become a proper state, these terrorists will be its leaders. Just compare to Northern Ireland, the war of Independence in the US, the pre independence struggles in Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, the Ottoman Empire, Rhodesia, South Africa pre apartheid and India. The list is huge.

Israel has a limited window to talk to Hamas before life gets much worse for them. Hamas now has long rage missiles that are not accurate. The next development is accurate missiles and surface to air weapons. If ISIS get into Gaza, the West Bank and Israel then expect chaos in Israel and the collapse of their society.

I have seen increasing numbers of intelligence reports relating to ISIS targetting Israel.

hays - you are incorrect; please refer to your history books re the original jewish founders and settlers which I think was about 20 years earlier than the official foundation of the state of israel in 1948

I know what you mean, but I am talking about the founding of the state of Israel and not the settlers who were peacefully living in the area. The people I am talking about are Irgun, Haganah, the Stern gang operating from 1945.

Here is a list of some of their work

http://www.timripley.co.uk/terrorism/terrorism1.htm

The leaders of these groups became the leaders of Israel with the last of them going recently.

your initial post was singularly misleading by omission
the original settlers and their arab neighbours too were totally appalled by the subsequent war waged on them by other arabs - I'm sure I'm right - and the IDF or whatever you want to call it, came into being as a result of that

subsequent actions are a different matter entirely, but if you want to put across an argument, you would be wise not be economic with the facts

I was really just showing the transition from terrorist to politician and the hypocrisy of Israel in particular to brand Hamas as terrorists.

A man bought a farmhouse, which had lay vacant for many years, for himself and his wife. There was a bit of a problem in that it came with a barn which was completely welded shut. No one knew what was inside.

He took a chance and bought the Portuguese property at a knock down price and then picked up a grinder to open the barn door....................

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-buys-house-locked-barn-3937043#ixzz38yczCZBN

"US Will Feel Tangible Losses,"

Russia Prepares To Unleash Retaliatory Trade Wars


Tyler Durden on 07/30/2014 12:33 -0400


"It's a troubling continuation/expansion of trade as a geopolitical tool," warns one Washington-based consulting firm as Russia prepares to unleash retaliatory actions to US and European sanctions. As Bloomberg reports, Russia said yesterday it may ban imports of chicken from the U.S. and fruit from Europe and is investigating McDonald's cheese for safety. In addition, a Russian lawmaker has drafted legislation that might result in U.S. accounting firms being barred from doing business in his country. All of this is odd given Jack "trust me" Lew's reassurance that Russian sanctions would have no impact on the US economy. Russia's response, US will feel 'tangible losses' from 'destructive, myopic' sanctions.



more:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-30/us-will-feel-tangible-losses-russia-prepares-unleash-retaliatory-trade-wars

Ed Miliband's shadow cabinet sound like they are giving postgraduate lectures, Frank Dobson says

The former Labour Health Secretary, who is stepping down at the election, warns the inner circle of the party's leader are 'useless'






6:41PM BST 30 Jul 2014





Ed Miliband’s inner circle are “useless” and his shadow cabinet are only capable of delivering “postgraduate lectures” instead of simple policies voters can understand, a former Labour cabinet minister has said.


Asked if those closest to the Labour leader are useless Frank Dobson, the former Secretary of State for Health, agreed enthusiastically before clarifying that “not of sufficient quality and clarity” was a more accurate description.



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11001189/Ed-Milibands-shadow-cabinet-sound-like-they-are-giving-postgraduate-lectures-Frank-Dobson-says.html

The @YouGov monthly average Jan 2013 - June 2014.



You have to bare in mind out of all the pollsters YouGov have Labours lead as the lowest of all pollsters, BUT what really doesnt stack up here and is the major finding, all this twaddle we have heard that UKIP are falling apart Hays and fellow Tories........total rubbish, in fact they have got stronger over the last few months.