Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Where does isis get it's funds from?


Don't bother to look here, cos they aint saying either.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/10908672/Who-funds-the-ISIS-Islamist-militants-in-Iraq.html

Nun tears down black and white flag similar to ones used by jihadis from housing estate gates and brands those who hoisted it 'naive young hotheads'

The flag was put up outside Poplar estate as part of pro-Gaza campaign
Taken down by Sister Christine Frost, 77, who works at a nearby church
It contains script used by all Muslims as a declaration of their faith
But emblem has been hijacked by extremists who use it to promote jihad
Anti-extremism campaigners condemn 'provocative' act in Tower Hamlets
After three days it was pulled down amid fears it would cause offence


By MARTIN ROBINSON and JILL REILLY
PUBLISHED: 12:20, 8 August 2014 | UPDATED: 19:39, 8 August 2014

A nun has torn down a black and white flag similar to one championed by Muslim extremists from the gates of a London housing estate and branded those who hoisted it up as 'naive young hotheads'.
The emblem was hung alongside the Palestinian flag in Poplar, Tower Hamlets, three days ago as part of a 'end the siege in Gaza' campaign.
Sister Christine Frost, 77, a nun who works at a nearby church, said she asked some friends to help take the flag down early this morning using a stepladder out of fear it could be seen as 'aggressive' or 'insensitive'.
Anti-extremist campaigners said the raising of the black flag was a 'provocative' act and undermined legitimate anger about the crisis in Palestine.
Defence Secretary Michael Fallon called it 'extremely inappropriate'.
But the Roman Catholic nun, who has worked helping the elderly in the area for the last 40 years, denied the flag was put up to show support for radical jihadists.
Speaking yards from the gate today outside St Matthias Church, she insisted there was not any anti-Semitic sentiment on the estate and said the 'issue has been taken out of proportion.'
'There's no way they would have thought it was to do with ISIS,' she said.
'I couldn't believe it had been up for two weeks. I believe it means 'There is no other God but Allah.
'The problem is that it has been adopted by ISIS.
'It's as ridiculous as saying the St George's Cross is a symbol of the BNP.
'It's exactly like with the Union Jack and the BNP supporters. It's nothing to do with being British. They're just young hot heads, naive.
'I'm Irish and its as ridiculous as saying that I represent the IRA.'
Sister Christine, who in 2010 campaigned to have anti-Christmas posters put up in the area by Muslim radicals removed, continued: 'The issue is aggression and insensitivity. It could be seen to be aggressive.
'I'm not sure that if I put up a Christian flag it wouldn't be upsetting to some people.'
It is not clear who raised the flag on the Will Crooks Estate - named after the noted Victorian-era anti-poverty campaigner and then Labour MP - but it has caused offence.
Scotland Yard sent officers to the estate this morning, although flying a flag of this sort is not illegal in Britain.
The black and white flag has the Shahadatayn - the declaration of faith that all Muslims say - written on it, which translates as 'There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God'.
But in recent years versions have been hijacked by extremist supporters of the Taliban, Hamas, al-Shabaab, Al Qaeda and ISIS.
A local resident, Nijam Miah, 57, said: 'They're young boys who dont know what they're doing. They have hot blood and they're playing with fire.'

One man who objected to it says he was confronted by a gang of youths who asked him: 'Are you a Jew?'.
When he said: 'Would it make a difference?' they responded: 'Yes it f****** would', according to the Guardian.

As news spread across the estate, Muslim men spilling out of a nearby Mosque rounded on reporters as they spoke to residents about their view on the inflammatory gesture.
The group's anger was directed at reports that terrorist-sympathisers had raised the flag similar in style to that used by terror group Isis alongside Palestinian flags.
The five journalists said they were threatened by some in the group of Asian men aged between late teens and early forties.
Snatching one reporter's notepad a man who had a young boy with him said: 'You better leave here before we do something to you. Go now, we don't want you around here.'
Two locals stepped in to calm the men down and one said: 'The people who caused these problems will be explaining themselves.
'It has caused us a lot of trouble, it has made us all look like violent terrorists.
'But the message on that flag and another here now are very similar, they just look different.
'They are just Islamic slogans that are used by all Muslims in praise of Allah.'
Speaking outside his flat where a large Palestinian flag hung from a bamboo cane student Mohammad Rasheduzzaman, 25, said: 'I'm protesting for Gaza, they're humans not animals.
'All the people here support Gaza. Muslim and Christians are a family on this estate, we are protesting against Israel.
'Some people call it a jihadi flag or a terrorism flag. It's not, it's just a sign of Islam. It says there is no god but Allah.
Sunni Muslim Faisal Islam, 44, lives with his wife and five children on the estate.
The shop worker said: 'Until now there has never been a show of any anger, but I think it has been below the surface.
'There is a big Muslim community here, who are all angry about what is happening in Gaza. I'm happy to support that.
'But putting up a flag could cause us trouble, it will give Sunnis a bad reputation.
'It might cause trouble between people here on the estate or it will encourage bad people to come here from somewhere else
'This is generally a safe place for them, we don't want extreme people talking to our kids'.


Counter-terrorism think tank the Quilliam Foundation has called the decision to raise the flag 'provocative' and 'worrying'.
A spokesman said: 'This is not the flag of the so-called Islamic State (formerly ISIS), but the black flag with the shahadatayn (Muslim declarations of faith) written in white is known as the rayah, a symbol that has been adopted by Islamists in the last 25 years. Since the Bosnian conflict, it has been increasingly adopted by jihadist organisations.
'It is a provocative move by those who have put up the flag as they will well know its significance.
'Many geopolitical conflicts and humanitarian crises in the Middle East get adopted as 'Muslim causes' and subsequently get manipulated by myopic Islamist narratives.
'It is worrying that legitimate grievances surrounding Gaza and the plight of the Palestinian people are combined with jihadist symbols'.
The flag was removed following concerns that it could cause community tension

- Tower Hamlets Council
Tower Hamlets Council has admitted it received complaints about the flag but when they arrived to pull it down it was already gone.
A council spokesman said: 'The council can confirm that following reports this morning of a flag erected on the Will Crooks Estate, council officials took steps to remove it but found it had already been taken down by Sister Christine Frost, a well-known local activist and promoter of community cohesion. The flag was removed following concerns that it could cause community tension.
'The council welcomes the removal of this flag. We have consistently demonstrated that there is no place for hate in Tower Hamlets, whatever form it takes. We take decisive action to ensure people's actions do not affect the strong community cohesion that underpins Tower Hamlets.
'This borough's community is proud to act as One Tower Hamlets and the council and its partners will always act to preserve and promote this united spirit, including removing any unauthorised flag on public space.'
The council's controversial mayor Lutfur Rahman sparked a storm of protest last month to after raising the Palestinian flag over the town hall 'in solidarity with Gaza'.
Mr Rahman ordered the flag to fly 'in support of a ceasefire and peace'.
Jewish leaders condemned the move as 'destructive' for community relations as local residents said the council should concentrate on 'potholes and bins' and not international conflicts.
Pro-Palestine supporters also blocked the nearby Blackwall Tunnel, waved flags and yelled slogans in a protest days later.



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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11022844/Fun-for-all-promised-at-Boring-and-Dull-day.html

so fos-fred is still incapable of answering a question for which yes/no would even suffice .... unwilling of course as that does not suit his rather silly agenda whatever he imagines that to be

it's very sad or even a pathetic sight when someone who allegedly had quite a lot of influence finds himself put out to grass and can no longer find a susceptible audience, though his ability to bore to tears has clearly lost none of its edge

A rather bad tempered Alf alert -):

Cynic, who says Fred as been put out to grass!!!!!!

I read his posts and everyone elses posts on here, bar the 6 posters I have filtered. I think 5 of them though are Master RSI alias.

Just because he doesnt fit your stereotype dont think your speaking for everyone.

And why should he answer YOUR questions, youve played that card on me and in my opinion its nothing but public school boy bullying. I ignore you aswel when your being silly, save it for the golf club.

Start acting as a member of the community rather than a distant itinerant who does nothing but complain here and says he doesnt use the thread but statistics shows you use it more often than anyone else.

Well done Sister Christine Frost, she did what the police and LA were scared to do, ripped down the ISIS mudering bast-rds Flag and called them for what they are, scumster thugs.

The sooner people in this country get wise to these minority non supporting British filth the sooner we have a better country. Its playing into UKIPs hands and a lesser amount the BNP.

The relations of these people should OUT THEM.

And if they dont WE should out them and their whole family unit.

GF.

But BNP and libs are a minority, similar to what the con party will be.


Mind, I do see your point!


8-)

Ps.

Forget about Manuel, he is just getting a little doddery.

However, sometimes I can see the reasons for euthanasia.

Blow the whistle on Qatar’s weird World Cup

We should withdraw unless the 2020 tournament is held somewhere that doesn’t back terrorism



Emir of Qatar Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani is awarded the World Cup by FIFA President Sepp Blatter Photo: Getty Images




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/qatar/11021666/Blow-the-whistle-on-Qatars-weird-World-Cup.html

Scottish independence: Salmond refuses to consider currency Plan B

First minister says any plan other than sterling union would be second best and offers national debt-Bank of England deal



Chris Johnston and Severin Carrell


theguardian.com, Saturday 9 August 2014 12.04 BST



Alex Salmond said an independent Scotland would take on its share of national debt for a fair share of the Bank of England. Photograph: Murdo Macleod for the Guardian




Alex Salmond has refused to be drawn on his back-up plan if an independent Scotland is blocked from sharing the pound and the Bank of England now the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats have all ruled out a currency union.

The first minister is facing increasing political pressure to come up with a Plan B after the Labour leader, Ed Miliband, became the latest senior Westminster politician to say he would veto a deal on sterling if Scotland voted for independence next month.

But in an open letter to voters, published in Saturday's edition of The Sun, Salmond wrote: "Plan B implies settling for what's second best. And neither myself, my colleagues in the SNP, or the wider yes campaign will ever settle for second best for Scotland."

He said an independent Scotland would be "willing and able" to take on its share of national debt, but only if it got a fair share of the Bank of England.

The Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Labour have all rejected the idea of a currency union, which would allow Scotland to use sterling and retain the Bank of England as its lender of last resort.

Miliband told Scottish business leaders in Glasgow on Friday that he would make a veto on a currency union a general election pledge if Scotland voted for independence in next month's referendum.

The Labour leader said he saw no case for recommending a euro-style currency union and accused Salmond of wrecking his own case by threatening to default on Scotland's share of the UK's debt, likely to total £1.6tn by 2016.

Asked if that sterling zone veto would be written into Labour's election manifesto if Scotland voted for independence, he said: "Yes. I'm ruling it out now, yes."




More haggis here: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/09/alex-salmond-refuses-currency-plan-b-independent-scotland

because sticky, (a) that particular question was serious and worthy of a proper reply and (b) fos-fred has never once answered a direct question put to him
pah! is all he is worth

also this extract from 44471 was interesting ......
If you don’t like the law, vote in a government who will amend the law to your satisfaction

now it's a funny old life, but when almost exactly that argument was applied about people and companies legally avoiding tax, both you (sticky) and fos-fred jumped up and down with self-righteous indignation ..... a bit strange and hypocritical don't you think, not least because fos-fred is also steadfast in his refusal to vote at all?

Manuel.

An appointment for you is in your appropriate place the kitchen.

As it obvious you may know, unless you are parroting your betters a simple question may have a complex answer and it view of that you would seem likely to be unable to understand it!

I.e to do so for you would seem a waste of time. The latter I haven't got enough of.

I don't vote because I prefer not to and consider it at present to be my right under the present democratic system.

If you wish to change it, so be it, but consider your own position in so doing so.
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I don't consider the energy necessary to explain to you things which are probably beyond your comprehension, at any time, especially on a balmy night in the Dordogne, while explaining the differences between tactics and strategy to my grandchild, who is beating me at chess, while being amused by enquiring into the family history of his antecedents.

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The responses are adequate to you obtuse question are satisfactory for me, if you don't like them, so be it.


Perhaps, you should concentrate on the world's public response to Israeli's Putin's responses to the Gaza problems.

Have nice dreams.

Ohhhhhhhh come off it Cyners , lets face it all this leads back to that debate....... OK TANKER and I kicked your ass, so what........ your still a great person a chap I think is worth a awfull lot as an individual. (and others nearly all the board think that)

At times we all get creamed, so what.

Lighten up im still your best pal.

Please just dont DEMAND this and that, its not the thing to do.

So come on now and stop being bloody silly.

AND, ps, if Fred did the same Id be kicking his balls.

BOTH OF YOU LETS HAVE A WEEKEND STAND OFF.

i think fos-fred is a total arsehole and i know the feeling is mutual, but hence why i almost never bother to read his posts

Labour fears brain drain with 15% of MPs ready to quit

Doubts about Ed Miliband's leadership are said to be driving an exodus in the runup to next year's general election



Daniel Boffey, Observer policy editor


The Observer, Saturday 9 August 2014 19.19 BST



Former Scotland secretary Jim Murphy is believed to be considering quitting as an MP. Photograph: Danny Lawson/PA


More than 15% of Ed Miliband's MPs are set to quit parliament before the next election, raising fears among senior Labour figures of a "brain drain". Thirty Labour MPs – 15 with ministerial experience – have announced that they are leaving, despite polls suggesting that the party will form the next government.

A senior Labour party source said it expected at least 10 more of its MPs to stand down before the election, pushing the proportion of those leaving to 15.5% of the parliamentary party. Before Labour came to power in 1997 under Tony Blair, only 8% of the party's MPs quit. A source said: "There's not enough excitement about Ed. Some worry about him losing the general election, and some worry about him winning it."



More: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/09/labour-fears-brain-drain-mps-quit

Cynic is right about Fred , there are only about 2 to 3 posters on here that don't think he is a arsehole , goldfinger and Stan and one other

Manuel,

You are, as well as doddery, becoming more and more inconsistent.

Claiming you never bothering to read other peoples post, finding any other than your own opinions boring and yet quoting from post written by those who bore you.

Eg, post 44771 when you quote the last sentence verbatim.

I suppose some individuals decline fast than others.

But I think some of the decline is due to your, Hazy One's and some of your cahoots' panicking at the thought of a Labour government with a massive majority after the next election.
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Maxk,

Perhaps, after the lousy lying leadership of PR stuntmen Blair and Cameron we would benefit from a more mundane form of government with policies discussed and decided by cabinet decisions rather than the shooting blanks from the hips by the likes of Cameron and Boris who rely on burnt out sycophants for their support.

Charisma is one of the last things we need at the moment.
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Mind every theatre needs a clown and the Boris would fill that role at the Palace of Westminster perfectly, perhaps with Manuel as Widow Twankey or a butler.

Manuel,

You are, as well as doddery, becoming more and more inconsistent.

Claiming you never bothering to read other peoples post, finding any other than your own opinions boring and yet quoting from post written by those who bore you.

Eg, post 44771 when you quote the last sentence verbatim.

I suppose some individuals decline fast than others.

But I think some of the decline is due to your, Hazy One's and some of your cahoots' panicking at the thought of a Labour government with a massive majority after the next election.
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Maxk,

Perhaps, after the lousy lying leadership of PR stuntmen Blair and Cameron we would benefit from a more mundane form of government with policies discussed and decided by cabinet decisions rather than the shooting blanks from the hips by the likes of Cameron and Boris who rely on burnt out sycophants for their support.

Charisma is one of the last things we need at the moment.
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Mind every theatre needs a clown and the Boris would fill that role at the Palace of Westminster perfectly, perhaps with Manuel as Widow Twankey or a butler.