Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Wages have fallen for good reasons. Firstly, there has been a large increase in employment of younger people who start on lower wages. Secondly, the statistic also includes bonuses. The changes to bonus payment and their taxation last year causes a lower figur to be reported this year. Both of these cause the average to be lower. It should start to rise soon.

In your dreams Hays.

Under 21s 17% unemployed ..............shamefull.

In fact the figures today showed unemployment was INCREASING (not decreasing) when you look further into sanctions, and Ill prove the point when I come back from fishing.

Not only that but the big scam is that those who are on courses for 6 months are now included as having found work but only 10% of them get work.

This as changed under the cheat IDS regime, a man you cannot trust with anything.

GF.

Post 44957.

Absolutely correct.

Osborne and Cameron were either absolutely naive, or protecting their own "plots" and privileges themselves and those of their mates.

What has been the cost of born to-day policies U-turn to-morrow bonanza.

Their economic policies are those of the biscuit tin era.

Condemning others for laziness, while sunbathing in Portugal as if nothing is happening around them.

Captain Marvel then rides in to save the world, I think I felt safer when he was on a beach in Portugal.

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Lower, wages?

What is the average hourly rate?

What it the average wage take home of part time workers.

How many so called employed are self employed and without full time work.

How many are on minimal hours.

How many have given up claiming and nicking instead.

This government, PM and Chancellor are probably the worst we have seen since the 1920s and 30s.

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Under 21s Unemployed.

I have one of them :(

Thank Wacky Dave and cohorts.

UK has been hollowed out of Productive Jobs over a 30 year period.
Masked for a long time until credit crunch laid everything bare.

I don't blame individuals for current plight. Its been a long time in the making.

Real question is how do we resolve it?

Stop voting for them would be a start.

A millionaire Tory donor gave more than £300,000 to the party just weeks before David Cameron handed him a peerage last week, it emerged today.

Financier and party co-treasurer Michael Farmer, who was among 12 new Conservative working peers announced last week by the Prime Minister, gave £333,500 between April and June.

His donation helped the Tories pull further ahead of Labour in raising funds to fight the 2015 general election.

Excellent! I know an Indian property millionaire that plans to give quite a large donation in a few months. And he certainly wouldn't accept a peerage. He has been giving money regularly since Cameron became leader. Labour are pretty broke. Quite a bit of their money is in the way of no interest loans, which have to be repaid.

Why do jobs need to be productive? The UK is a small island with a relatively strong currency. It's a no-brainer that there's going to be a limit to how much domestic produce can be consumed, and the strong currency is going to inhibit exports. The UK failed to let go of its heavy industry after WWII and, as a result, now lags Germany and Japan in the production of lighter niche products. Instead, 13% of GDP comes from the financial services sector, and there's certainly no shortage of jobs where the money is.

My son has just graduated. He's had no problem walking straight into a (fcuking excellent) job in the city. Ditto his friends.

And my daughter ,who's only 20, and didn't bother to go to uni, has been offered work following every interview she's attended and now gets approached by firms asking her to leave her current job and switch to them.

So, all the crap about youth unemployment is a load of baloney imo.

What is a working peer?

Germany is full of heavy industry, and I suspect Japan is too.

Yes, I worded that slightly wrong. I meant to include the words 'antiquated' and 'technology driven' somewhere, but neglected to do so. You are welcome to choose where to insert them.

Hilary- not all our offspring have been as fortunate as yours. Best of luck to them though.

Good fortune might help, but we're all masters of our own destiny, Claret Dragon.

Hilary said........"So, all the crap about youth unemployment is a load of baloney imo".............ends

Now stop being silly Hilary you may able to get a job in London as an under 21, but elsewhere its virtualy impossible.

And if your a northener and you get a job in London, how on earth do you pay for your accomadation. No chance.

The fact is thousands of kids outside the London area are are stuck on 'Workfare' do a 6 month course (slave labour) and then are slung back to the Job Centre who in turn put them on another 6 month course and so on. This all brings down the claimant count and makes the unemployment figures look much better.

The definition of Workfare by Wikipedia..........

Workfare in the United Kingdom refers to government workfare policies whereby individuals must undertake work in return for their benefit payments or risk losing them. Workfare policies are politically controversial. Supporters claim that such policies help people move off welfare and into employment (See welfare-to-work) whereas critics argue that they are analogous to slavery or indentured servitude and counterproductive in decreasing unemployment.

Wiki then looks further into Workfare ......

In 2008 research undertaken by the Centre for Regional Economic and Social Research (CRESR) for the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) found that there was little evidence that workfare programmes increased the likelihood of finding paid employment and could instead reduce the prospect of finding paid employment by "limiting the time available for job search and by failing to provide the skills and experience valued by employers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workfare_in_the_United_Kingdom

I certainly concur that jobs for youngsters, especially those who have messed about at school and are thus virtually illiterate = unemployable, are very hard to come by

it's not even easy for many graduates with decent degrees from "proper" universities

however, I do wonder how many of these youngsters have ever thought of looking further afield, especially in Dubai or similar, or even volunteering to work in say Africa for one of the genuine and productive charities - I'm sure they get some pay even if not huge

Well Im sure some would Cynic if they had the funding, but we have to start to develop a bigger manufacturing base in this country.

Its ok saying Ohh weve got a big service sector, but service sector jobs are mainly again found in london in the CITY and are by and large very sensitive to government policy which further leads to insecurity and holding the country to ransom, eg, Bankers.

How many Bankers were put in prison for the 2008 crimminal crash...........I think its 0 here in this country and a handful in the USA.

How do you then explain that!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cyners, Fishfinger,

It's funny how the Poles are quite happy to travel the breadth of a continent and successfully find work. The have the nous to realise that society owes them nothing, and they're quite willing to get up off their backsides and do something to get ahead in life. To the extent of learning a foreign language along the way, in many cases.

Maybe it's wrong to stereotype, but can you truthfully say the same of the UK's kids?

Fishfinger,

We've got a big service sector because manufacturing is dead in the UK. You've got the likes of Arthur Scargill to thank for that - by not embracing change, and trying to cling on to history.

As I said last night, Germany and Japan leaped ahead of the UK after WWII. The Germans were building fancy vroom vrooms with flashing gizmos while Leyland vehicles still had square wheels and pedals. When the techno revolution eventually came to the UK, it was to the benefit of the towns along the M4 corridor. The northern towns missed the boat.