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Don't forget then when EVS announced the setting up of CCR a couple of months ago, they spoke of profitability within 18 months.

That sort of time scale means no contribution to pofits from CCR for quite a while yet and initially it would have a negative effect as you can't run a business for free.

Full article http://business.scotsman.com/management.cfm?id=547842005
19-05-2005

IT may have given Marconi the cold shoulder, but BT looks something of a hot stock these days. Originally one half of the Post Office, the telecoms giant is still the UKs leading fixed-line operator.
However, it faces intense competition from upstarts such as Carphone Warehouses rapidly-expanding TalkTalk service, OneTel and Swedish group Tele2.
Earlier this week it emerged that internet service provider AOL was to open a new front in the cut-throat battle for control of Britains residential phone market.
No surprise then to find BT chasing new business elsewhere, with management highlighting the continued growth in "new wave" products such as broadband and networking services.
If the new-look BT is to keep the City on its side, it will need to continue dialling up solid earnings figures.

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Full article http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/business/general/s/159/159726_troubled_telecoms_firm_cautious_but_encouraged.html

23-05-2005

Troubled telecoms firm 'cautious but encouraged'
LOSS-MAKING business telecoms group Thus today remained wary about its outlook, but said recent strong growth had encouraged it.

Glasgow-based Thus, which posted a 71 per cent rise in annual operating losses to 36.3 million, said it was staying cautious about the future market structure for telecoms services in the UK.

It added that it was expecting the AGGRESSIVE PRICING in the industry to continue throughout the year.

However, Thus said it had retained all its customers during the year, despite the particularly tough price competition.

It said 16 of its top 20 clients had increased their business with it and new business had come from firms including radio groups GWR and Chrysalis, publishers Johnston Press and Archant, Glasgow City Council and South London & Maudsley NHS Trust.

Finance director John Maguire described the year as mixed, with MARGINS SQUEEZED by predatory pricing.

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What is the point to your post 452. There is no relevance in there to anything that EVS does. EVS is dealing in international calls and not Uk residential calls.

This shows that you don't have clue about EVS and what they do.

You've just joined your mate H in my filter pit.

insiderinside

Is that the best you can do?

RED

As far as I'm aware you certainly can use CCR for cheaper UK residential calls.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

wbuffet
A large part of what CCR does is UK residential calls.


CCR have an uphill battle to gain any serious market share. Even AOL are now offering a service for 7.99/month and you get to call all UK landlines for free. This is just one of dozens of special deals that will be coming out very soon. This is a cut throat businss with margins getting tighter all the time. The very ease of use of the CCR service is also its potential downfall. You can switch away from CCR at a moment's notice.

Dear AOL Member,

We've got some great news for you. As part of our commitment to deliver the best value to our members, we are delighted to announce the launch of AOL Talk, our new home phone service.

AOL is extending the unlimited philosophy that we apply to our Internet services to our new home phone service. AOL Talk allows you to make unlimited phone calls to UK landline numbers for 7.99 per month and is only available to AOL members.

Thank you for all your time and effort posting valuable info peteark. I am one of those silently viewers who rarely post anything but do appreciate all the helpful messages.

Well Insider you have just summed up why EVS is doing so well all the big boys are struggling against competition such as Envesta telecom.

While call quality in the UK is generally taken for granted now, when routing calls to the far flung corners of the world quality is crucial. opening up new routes to Africa and Asia at greater margins to the Company.

Specialising in high quality call termination predominantly into the African and Asian markets, Seven Telecom has a wealth of experience selling into the Calling Card market, carefully choosing Wholesale partners with proven track records of quality distribution.

Interconnecting to the best quality Tier 1 operators, Seven Telecom's quality is assured. This combined with an infrastructure including VoIP technology ensures Seven Telecom is future proofed and able to benefit from the Next Generation Network that is currently being implemented throughout the industry.
Seven Telecom has a simple unique network, real-time software is used to enable live feeds from the switches and billing systems giving profitability and connectivity rates on a call by call basis, the moment that any international route performs below set parameters the carrier in place is automatically changed.
This ensures that Seven Telecom are amongst the industry leaders for quality call termination.

The Telecommunication market in South Africa is well developed compared to other African countries. A major part of the 46.8 million populations has shifted from fixed telephony market to mobile subscriptions. The current mobile subscriber base is three times the size of the fixed line market


Figures from our research show that South African youth are spending more as a % of their disposable income on mobile products and services than the majority of developed countries. This signifies the importance of the service in this market and potential for long term growth...

Mobile phone use in Africa is growing faster than anywhere else in the world, according to a report. The study, by the Centre for Economic Policy Research (CEPR), said African countries with greater mobile use had seen a higher rate of economic growth.

China is the worlds largest telecoms market by subscribers, with 316 million fixed-line users and 340 million mobile users at the end of January, Xinhua also reported on Tuesday, citing new data from the MII. The new fixed-line figure represented an increase of 3.2 million subscribers from the end

Nigeria is one of the fastest growing mobile markets in Africa. With a population of 130 million people out of which nearly 75.2 million people work and a GDP of $60 bn , mobile network operators are having their hands full in servicing to this market. After nearly 16 years of military rule in Niger


International Data Corp. expects the Asia-Pacific region to experience rapid growth in 3G cellular use, particularly China. According to IDC, in 2004, there were just 10.2 million Asia-Pacific subscribers to 3G services, which provide high-speed data capabilities and advanced audio and video ...

Why EVS are targeting Ethnic minorities, they now account for 8% of UK citizens rising to 9% in England. Against the background of an ageing UK population, they also represent a valuable youth

And thats just for starters, EVS is in the niche market offering quality calls to some of the fastest growing countries in mobile and fixed line telecommunication. EVS has shown huge growth over the past year mainly due to people using there mobile phones instead of fixed lines. The margins are much grater through this and thus the growth for EVS will continue. And now with CCR on its books the expansion is set for a dramatic climb for the company.

Must agree with your comments Quinan.Whatever CCR brings into EVS is a bonus,but more importantly that money has dripped away from some of the big boys out there.They wont like it one bit but there really are only 2 options availabe to them,either reduce their prices to suit which will reduce their margins or simply buy Envesta out lock stock and barrel.At these ridiculous prices i am amazed that one of the big players hasnt been sniffing around.Dont really want that scenario myself as we will be giving the company away.

FLOPPY I think KJ will want to have the EVS SP at around the 100 mln mark before he and the other major share holders even consider letting it go, so that would put the SP at 40p, and then if there are others eyeing up the group could go higher. Hears hoping, I dont think thats to unrealistic with the currant situation EVS are in.

tangle - 29 May'05 - 23:43 - 455 of 460


As far as I'm aware you certainly can use CCR for cheaper UK residential calls.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

you are correct 2p per min landline to landline at all times

10p per min landline to mobile at all times

Have now created my web site to direct traffic from my site to the ccr pages.

Take a look and tell me what you think.


www.cheapercallrateworldwide.com

It looks very good, however I think just using web forwarding is easier.

Pete I am using CCR for all my calls now UK and international works it works very well.

great quin, did you read my email about the site?

I have purchased www.cheapercallrate.org I will simply advertise the site, but have forwarding direct to the main site

If anyone would like to register as a dealer please email pete@085.ndo.co.uk for further details.

Pete

Hi pete yes got your mail about the new site, just let me know when its up and running. I like the thought of all these dealers, which now seem to be quite a few. Any one looking for cheap call will more than likely find a CCR dealer and thus be forwarded on to the CCR site.

i think that it is extremely unrealistic to imagine any share price over 10p for years to come.

QUINAN - 30 May'05 - 09:27 - 460 of 466


FLOPPY I think KJ will want to have the EVS SP at around the 100 mln mark before he and the other major share holders even consider letting it go, so that would put the SP at 40p, and then if there are others eyeing up the group could go higher. Hears hoping, I dont think thats to unrealistic with the currant situation EVS are in.

quin I dont have your details

Pete send me an e mail with what you need