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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

cynic - 06 Mar 2011 18:19 - 4522 of 6906

dummkopf! ..... typical simplistic comment from fred

fahel - 06 Mar 2011 18:29 - 4523 of 6906

THE MOST IMPORTANT INTERVIEW ON EARTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeaZuj7ruwM

Fred1new - 06 Mar 2011 20:51 - 4524 of 6906

An expected response from the cynic.

Could do better.

cynic - 06 Mar 2011 22:07 - 4525 of 6906

you choose to see things in black ands white, whereas they are of course much more subtle with various other plays going on beneath the service - but then i wouldn't expect you to be able to even envisage let alone appreciate such things

Fred1new - 07 Mar 2011 08:38 - 4526 of 6906

Thanks cynic. I knew I was missing something.

Perhaps, I was thinking similar of the present ruling inept ruling clique, whose simplistic approaches to government are being woken up to the problems they are provoking,

Bulls in the china shop comes to mind.

cynic - 07 Mar 2011 08:39 - 4527 of 6906

it certainly wasn't the best how-to-do-this textbook example! .... unless it's meant as here's a cock-up i did a little earlier!!

Fred1new - 07 Mar 2011 13:23 - 4528 of 6906

At the moment, what interests me, is the humbug, hypocrisy and outrage of Cameron and crew,about the "humanitarian" atrocities of the Gad Fly in Libya.

At the same time the poser can applaud himself for promoting a trade "delegation", containing those prepared to sell Weapons to the Egyptian military.

I can't recall his, or his accomplices responses to the Gaza massacres, a short while ago, or the mass killings in Iraq by Britain and Iraq sometime ago, or the continuing murder going on in that country.

I hope sleeping at night is a problem to him.

Ummh, it stinks.


(Just a personal opinion.)

cynic - 07 Mar 2011 13:47 - 4529 of 6906

where did you last find altruistic government? ..... liberia perhaps? ..... much as you might wish it, the real world does not come pristine and plastic wrapped like a piece of supermarket lamb

In The Land of the B - 07 Mar 2011 13:57 - 4530 of 6906

but it makes him feel superior - the haunt of all small minded pig headed know-nothings

fahel - 07 Mar 2011 14:07 - 4531 of 6906

Palestine - British Archives - 1931
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtr612AAXE4

Haystack - 07 Mar 2011 15:52 - 4532 of 6906

Egypt has a new foreign minister; Dr. Nabil al-Arabi. He is a former Egyptian ambassador to the UN and a former judge at the International Court of Justice in The Hague. He wrote an article in the Egyptian Al-Shurooq newspaper on February 19 criticizing foreign policies under the former minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit, strongly attacking his involvement in the Gaza siege.

Egypt's foreign policy should not be characterized by serious violations of fundamental principles in international law, such as the position Egypt has adopted in the blockade imposed on the Gaza Strip, Arabi said."

He has said that he believes the Camp David Accords (the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel) have been damaging to the Palestinian cause. He has also been quoted as saying, "Israel is occupying Palestinian territory, and the occupation itself is against international law".



Fred1new - 07 Mar 2011 16:45 - 4533 of 6906

Cynic,

I think being consistently altruistic for one person is impossible, for a government to be so, when it represents a country, even more difficult.

I think Robin Cooke, at least had a respect for the concept and tried to implement a more "moral" international stance, but obviously he also failed many times when attempting to do so.

Considering the actions of governments a their representatives in the past, we are probably a little "cleaner" and less corrupt now than in previous periods.


Due to media a improved communication we the public are more aware when and where it occurs.

Not many who know me "well", would think I have tip toed through the tulips" or that I have led a "pure" life, but I still think that when there is knowing and deliberate public corruption, or abuse by a person holding a public position, that the instigators and protagonists of the actions should publicised and prosecuted.

They should not be able to use pragmatism as an excuse.

But, I would not like the responsibilities of government.

cynic - 07 Mar 2011 16:57 - 4534 of 6906

nor I!! ..... that said, pragmatism is the only sensible and realistic way to govern .... you don't have to look far among these threads to see what happens when the zealots are let loose

In The Land of the B - 07 Mar 2011 17:39 - 4535 of 6906

I'm shocked. Fred has said something I agree with (apart from the somewhat dubious morality of Robin Cooke).

Haystack - 08 Mar 2011 17:22 - 4536 of 6906

Another international flotilla called Freedom Flotilla II is set to sail towards the Gaza Strip in May 2011. The flotilla organizers said 15 ships are expected to participate, carrying humanitarian aid and close to a thousand passengers including activists, journalists and politicians. This will be twice the number of ships and volunteers as Freedom Flotilla I.

The Freedom Flotilla coalition has called on governments partcipating in this flotilla to take concrete steps to ensure the safety of its citizens from possible Israeli attacks.

Benjie de Levy, the spokesman for the Dutch ship taking part in the convoy, said in statements to the press that any military attempt to hamper the freedom flotilla's access to the Gaza Strip is considered a violation of international law, and that governments should deal with those acts on that basis.

Preparations are in full swing in all regions set to participate in the siege-busting flotilla, including Europe, North America, North Africa, Asia, South America and Australia, in order to meet the deadline.

In The Land of the B - 08 Mar 2011 18:11 - 4537 of 6906

Parrot, you must be all cock-a-too.
The Israelis will stop and search the ships and any material which could be used in Hamas's war effort will be stopped.
Terrible the way Britain blockaded your hero, that nice Herr Hitler.
Totally wrong of us.......

Haystack - 09 Mar 2011 00:33 - 4538 of 6906

Not quite the same. The Gaza blockade is illegal. Nothing found to aid Hamas in last flotilla and this one is going to be supervised as it is loaded and searched before it sets sail.

yuff - 09 Mar 2011 13:27 - 4539 of 6906

haystack-it will be stopped if it happens-have these so called dogooders not learnt anything from the first debacle.

Just trouble makers looking for cheap publicity.

Focus now on Libya and a madman intent on killing his own people-seems to run like this in the Islamic world.

Haystack - 09 Mar 2011 13:47 - 4540 of 6906

Not trouble makers. Just people trying to keep the illegal activity of Israel in the news. At some stage the civil unrest is coming to the West Bank and then to Israel.

Haaretz newspaper said that the Israel army is trying to come up with a plan combat any outbreak of widespread protests in the West Bank. The newspaper quoted senior Israeli officers who served in the West Bank as saying that they have a feeling that there is no way to deal effectively with any non-violent popular uprising by the Palestinians. It added that the Israeli army, in the event of a popular uprising, will not be able to count on the Palestinian Authority forces.

Fred1new - 11 Mar 2011 08:30 - 4541 of 6906

Hays,

You appear well informed on the ME.

What is your guess on the outcome in Libya over the next few years?

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