cynic
- 20 Oct 2007 12:12
rather than pick out individual stocks to trade, it can often be worthwhile to trade the indices themselves, especially in times of high volatility.
for those so inclined, i attach below charts for FTSE and FTSE 250, though one might equally be tempted to trade Dow or S&P, which is significantly broader in its coverage, or even NASDAQ
for ease of reading, i have attached 1 year and 3 month charts in each instance
skinny
- 29 Oct 2009 12:33
- 4528 of 21973
So America out of recession!
jimmy b
- 29 Oct 2009 12:46
- 4529 of 21973
Unemployment figures good as well ..
HARRYCAT
- 29 Oct 2009 14:20
- 4530 of 21973
DOW futures +77.
"Oct. 29 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks rallied, snapping a four-day losing streak for the Standard & Poors 500 Index, after economic growth topped estimates as the nation exited the worst recession in seven decades. Treasuries dropped and the dollar and yen weakened, while commodities rose.
The stock rally is not over yet, said Jeffrey Kleintop, who helps oversee about $247 billion as chief market strategist at LPL Financial in Boston. The stock market can celebrate. This news is an important confidence boost, in particular to individual investors.
required field
- 29 Oct 2009 14:22
- 4531 of 21973
And natural gas is up again 17.5% in one day...incredible...
jimmy b
- 29 Oct 2009 15:05
- 4532 of 21973
Efficient markets ,,over the last 2 days definitely .. :-) .
dealerdear
- 30 Oct 2009 10:04
- 4533 of 21973
Something has fundamentally changed in these markets over the past couple of weeks. Apart from yesterday which I believe was a lot of short covering, most small caps have now stopped moving again similar to what happened before the onset of the credit crunch. There are exceptions but the market in general has a nasty feel to it. I heard someone on CNBC say yesterday that the DOW almost collapsed 800 pts Wednesday night on a spike in the $.
I'm not short so have no vested interest in the market going down but I am being very careful atm. All the bounce in the market has gone. Even stocks that have dropped to their rights prices/ placements (BAO; GFRD secondary placement at 350p; DES to name just three) aren't rising which is very strange.
halifax
- 30 Oct 2009 10:15
- 4534 of 21973
end of the month tidying up, perhaps we will see a fresh surge in november, then christmas and year end profit taking? All depends on US stats between now and 31/12.
dealerdear
- 30 Oct 2009 10:23
- 4535 of 21973
Hopefully you are right Halifax but it feels more technical to me i.e. there isn't the liquidity to push stocks up.
HARRYCAT
- 30 Oct 2009 14:00
- 4536 of 21973
Looks like all the gains made over the last 24 hrs are now being trimmed back. DOW currently -28, but possibly just friday afternoon sell off. Quite tricky to predict anything atm, imo, with no sector immune from sharp drops.
cynic
- 30 Oct 2009 16:32
- 4537 of 21973
what a hairy-scary week!
at least, in some ways, as Dow is already -190 or thereabouts, PG we shan't see anything too much worse during the rest of the evening
micky468
- 30 Oct 2009 16:37
- 4538 of 21973
cynic if you have time can you have alook at AVM let no yr thought on it
cynic
- 30 Oct 2009 17:51
- 4539 of 21973
Dow is threatening to break below 9700 (-260), but at the moment is rallying from that point, though not with huge conviction ..... 9650 is the real nail-biting point
Chris Carson
- 30 Oct 2009 18:36
- 4540 of 21973
cynic - hairy-scary week not kidding, I think next week could be even worse judging by economic data due. The rise in the dollar today must be scary for investors sitting on huge profits since March. Suspect a lot of people reacting to the US data yesterday got there fingers badly burned if they piled into the market this morning. Luckily for me this week working nights Tues,Wed,Thurs so I didn't get involved. Had 2 stock shorts open from last week EMG (murphys law took profits to early for +22.50 @ 332.0) and still in HFD, though still in profit managed to close up today +0.10, go figure.
cynic
- 30 Oct 2009 18:45
- 4541 of 21973
hard to know ...... hope you're wrong; these highly volatile markets remind me of a year ago, and they're not fun!
dealerdear
- 30 Oct 2009 19:23
- 4542 of 21973
I refer you back to post 4533.
As you say, it reminds of a year ago.
HARRYCAT
- 31 Oct 2009 08:27
- 4543 of 21973
15% market correction being talked about which would take the DOW to the region of 8500.
Digitallook : "The Dow Jones ended the day at 9,712, down 249 on the previous close, erasing all Thursdays 199-point gain. The Nasdaq Composite tumbled 52 to 2,045 and the broader S&P 500 fell 29 points, or 2.8%, to 1,036.
Many experts think the much-talked about correction of as much as 15% could well be underway following a rally of more than 50% from Marchs lows."
dealerdear
- 31 Oct 2009 16:02
- 4544 of 21973
Of course in real terms, the gap is not as big as that.
Firstly, the market dropped to a level where total economic collapse was being factored in ie we should have no need to go there again as governments appear to be reasonably on top of things
Secondly, 50% upside of very little (ie FTSE 3500pts) is not very much (1700) whereas 15% drop from here ( a top of 5300) is quite a lot (800). Thus we would be losing almost half of the 50% upside.
cynic
- 31 Oct 2009 16:24
- 4545 of 21973
so many unknowns and imponderables .... caution, watchfulness and nimbleness called for
Chris Carson
- 31 Oct 2009 16:53
- 4546 of 21973
cynic - Absoluteley! Is long overdue, personally I think it can only be good for the market to consolidate has come a long way and is far removed (especially the fundamentals) from reality. My gut feeling is the cash that has been sitting on the sidelines will be used to short the market and then a rally can be considered more seriously. But hey what do I know!
Falcothou
- 01 Nov 2009 20:09
- 4547 of 21973
The best ways to deal with increased volatility is perhaps firstly to decrease leverage or use extreme money management. Alternatively market neutral; pairs trades can insulate from extreme ducks and dives, I'm long nikkei, short dow from parity though usd/yen can mess things up