Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

YouGov/Sun – CON 33, LAB 37, LD 8, UKIP 13
28 AUG 2014

Hays Ive never seen you sweating so much.

What a mess the Tories are in.

Teresa Mays in trouble not only with immigration but because she hasnt found anybody instead of Lady Slosh.

Voting for any of the main three is akin to this:


Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


Albert Einstein

Another one:



We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.


Albert Einstein

MaxK

As I asked above, is there any specific reason why you don't believe there will be a referendum?

There is no will to have a referendum within the (edit) present tory leadership.

I certainly believe there will be a referendum. It is difficult to see how it could be avoided by Cameron. In the event of refusing one, the revolt of the back benches would be so great that it would bring the government down. To make such a promise and reneg on it would be impossible.

One right wing large employer pressure group mob against another right wing large employer pressure group mob... long may it continue.

That's capitalism for you. Good isn't it.

Only in your world.

More Tories lined up to defect to UKIP, the papers full of it in the morning.

Ohhhhhh this is so exciting Hays.

Last night I saw a trailer for a documentary on I think tonight . It said tens of thousands of Romany Gypsies have invaded Britain and their culture of allowing/forcing 14 yr old girls to marry , is at odds with BRITISH law . So now we have the Police to contend with ever increasing workloads . Multiculturalism is a massive mistake and we are paying for it. How we allow Mass immigration is beyond me .

Well V, you only have one alternative then, vote "Con"servative as they promise to get immigration down if they get elected... Oh wait a minute -):

Ask Tony Blair it was his idea , with the help of Mandelson and don't forget its a free EU movement of labour

I wouldn't exactly call Romany Gypsies part of a labour movement , Iv'e got a few other words for them though.

Update - Labour lead at 3
by YouGov in Politics
Fri August 29, 2014 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 28th August - Con 33%, Lab 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 13%;

Since the defection of the Tory MP to UKIP and eight more MPs in the background just about ready to do the same, I do expect there will be a rising swell.

In very simple terms, we hate the EU. It is not for us. We don't want to 'do it like that'. There is a better way - 'The UK Way'

What with one thing and another, particularly the utter total farce of uncontrolled immigration, the EU's unreasonable interference with our national legalities, the EU's nameless/powerless MEP system (who are they? what do they do? etc, etc), the majority of the people in the UK despise the EU in the main. They really do not want a referendum. They want out!

Damn it! If Scotland can even consider coming out of the UK and managing on its own (albeit that it will never happen), then this paints a clear message that the UK can at least consider coming out of the EU.

Now clearly, when this does actually start to happen for real. The we will finally be able to negotiate a better deal for the UK and more likely then actually stay in.

BUT ONLY IF WE GET A BETTER DEAL.

Cameron doesn't seem to ever say what it is that the Tories really want. It's all rhetoric and smoke and daggers. We hardly believe we'll get a referendum under the Tories. Now, I'm beginning to believe Labour will win the next GE for sure. The trouble is for me, I don't believe Labour can do a good negotiation for us.

Labour isn't planning to negotiate with the EU. They are committed federalists. Don't forget that they gave away our veto on treaty changes. That's why the referendum wasn't poissiblke on the Lisbon treaty.

Execline

Good post, the Tories can't win under Cameron and if they do win it will only be for another Lib/Dem/Tory government again. Boris Johnson is the only hope of winning.

He seems a decent chap and taking a big gamble, but as Iv'e said about UKIP at least they are bringing it onto the front pages . Personally Immigration is THE BIG ONE for me .I think it irks a lot of people , but you know. Was this done specifically on the day of the latest figures . Some suspect he had talks with senior Cons and got the feeling there was no real want for a referendum .