Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Haystack,

I know that. You know that. But the problem facing Cameron right now is that the public don't even understand what all the gobbledegook about the EU Referendum Enabling Bill means, vis-a-vis the posts from Maxk et al on this thread.

The public just want their referendum now, they mistakenly think that Cameron is the person to blame for them not getting their referendum now, and, as a result of the accompanying negative publicity, I really do think that Cameron needs to go on a PR offensive of his own pdq to explain things about the EU in simple talk to Joe Public that they will understand, in an attempt to quell the rising in the ranks and to get some folks back on-side before it's too late.

Eurosceptic Tory MP Chris Kelly quits

Conservative MP for Dudley South wishes Ukip defector Douglas Carswell best of luck as he joins list of party departures



Rowena Mason, political correspondent


theguardian.com, Monday 1 September 2014 12.23 BST



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/01/eurosceptic-tory-conservative-mp-chris-kelly-quits

Hilary.

Cameroon has had over 4 years to do his enabling act.

Why now?

Well, he won't actually need an act if he's returned with a majority. But this is a Private Member's bill which wasn't passed in an earlier session of Parliament (as happens with nearly all Private Members bills), and Cameron has promised to re-introduce it during the next session.

As I said, he doesn't need to re-introduce it, it will almost certainly still fail to get through the commons, and it might end up being worthless even in the very unlikely event that it does get through, but it should be taken as a measure of his intent towards the EU nonetheless, as his plan is to force a vote and expose the LibDem and Labour MPs who will inevitably vote against it.

Explanation from Huff Post and follow the bill's progress

He'd better get the enabling act then, cos theres no way he is going to win outright.

In who's name are these health Nazi's working?




Ashya King's entire family banned from seeing him as part of 'inhuman' treatment after he is made a ward of court

Five-year-old cancer patient's family fear his condition is deteriorating because of his lack of contact with family members



By Nicola Harley, Madrid, Fiona Govan in Malaga and Gordon Rayner

7:02PM BST 01 Sep 2014





Ashya King’s entire family has been banned from visiting him in hospital in Spain as part of “inhuman” restrictions placed on them after the five-year-old cancer patient was made a ward of court by a judge.


Ashya’s parents Brett and Naghemeh remain in custody in Madrid, and could be in jail until Thursday after an extradition hearing was postponed yesterday. Their six other children are unable to visit their brother, who is under police guard in a hospital in Malaga, and they fear his health may be deteriorating because he is likely to be afraid and “confused”.


David Cameron gave his personal backing to the Kings yesterday, saying the couple were only trying to “do the very best for” their son, while other senior MPs accused the British authorities of “criminalising” the family with their “heavy-handed” approach.


Hampshire Police issued a European Arrest Warrant for Mr and Mrs King on suspicion of child neglect last week after the couple removed Ashya from Southampton General Hospital without the consent of doctors who had been treating him for a brain tumour. The couple were found and arrested on Saturday.


It has emerged that Portsmouth City Council successfully applied to a High Court judge for a temporary wardship order on Friday at the request of the hospital, ordering Ashya to be presented for medical treatment.



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/11068877/Ashya-Kings-entire-family-banned-from-seeing-him-as-part-of-inhuman-treatment-after-he-is-made-a-ward-of-court.html

Disgraceful, uncaring and heavy handed, IMHO. What cruel bastards the authorities can be!

What a poor little kid to be deprived of seeing any member of his family, including his six brothers and sisters, his mummy and his daddy.

I do hope the little chap doesn't become so utterly unhappy, frightened and sad, that he decides to stop fighting for his little life, 'give up the ghost' and just curl up and die.

How utterly sad!

There surely has to be a better way.

This is an odd case. The father deserves consideration. However, he asked the hospital about the proton beam therapy and they said it was not suitable in this case. The UK does allow that treatment and funded 90 out of 120 requests. The father went off and looked at the Internet. He found places in Switzerland, Czech Republic and others where he could get treatment. This was despite it being against the clinical advice. He was told by the doctor that if he persisted then the hospital would apply for a court order to place the child under control of the court. The father then removed the child and the hospital called the police as they considered the child to be in danger. They did not know what the father would do. The child had just had a brain operation to remove a tumour and was eating through a tube. They were presented with a father who removed his child from treatment on the basis of something that he found on Google. It sounds like the hospital did the right thing.

It has become a cause celebre because the father is educated and coherent. Of course that doesn't stop him from being wrong.

not that i've really followed this, but i believe the parents are JWs who will not permit many medical procedures and certainly not blood tranfusions

JWs permit all medical procedures but not blood transfusions which makes major operations problematic. The courts are clear on this, in as much that they will allow the hospital to give transfusions to children against the wishes of family. The brain tumour was diagnosed in 2008. The hospital says recovery chances are 70-80%.

Clinical advice (English version) = death.

Wouldn't you go looking for an alternative, however difficult?

Where Do ISIS Fighters Come From? (look at France!!!!!!!!!)

You would expect France to be high as they had colonies in North Africa.

Excuse me but haven't these returning fighters probably committed crimes in these countries . Shouldn't they be subjected to the Laws of these countries and returned back . It sounds like they just return , have a little talk and just carry on if the do gooders get their way.

Labour 35%
Conservatives 28%
UKIP 17%
Libdems 9%

10:08 PM - 1 Sep 2014

#LABOUR 36%
#CONSERVATIVES 32%
#UKIP 15%
#LIBDEMS 9%
#GREENS 3%
#SNP 3%
#PLAIDCYMRU 1%

1:23 PM - 1 Sep 2014

VICTIM, thats a good point you make and a good reason not to let them back in this country no matter what the wet liberals say.

The attitude towards muslims is quite mild in the UK, I think.

In Switzerland it was getting really bad last winter. It's OK where I live up in the hills, but, when you go down to the towns around the lake, there's a really nasty attitude towards them. I'm sure they wouldn't be allowed back in to the country if they went off to fight for IS.

There is a good case for removing citizenship from those with dual citizenship.

We need TANKER on the job, he'd know what to do with them.