Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

This is what I said gf, in the interests of gender balance.


"male teenagers with puffed up hairdo's to read the news"

Whatever floats your boat Max.......he he.

Just checked and the 'Reunite Ashya with his parents' petition has now reached just under 250,000 votes.

I'm so glad I signed this petition and I'm so pleased it helped get the desired result and that there has now been a change of plan with the CPS dropping the all the charges against the parents.

Clearly, this couple were not evil and were very clearly just fighting hard to do the best they could for their little boy. They now have massive support for that effort. In the space of 24 hours, they have gone from being 'criminally hunted down zeroes' to 'parental heroes'.

Let's see what the Judge has to say today about which treatment the little chap will be getting and where. I do actually think, that reuniting little Ashya with his family members is going to reinvigorate him enormously. That is, if his frail little body can stand all of the trauma.

Fingers crossed.

I think the 200k + votes might have had something to do with the politicians getting their fingers out.

It wont stop the turds behind the debacle though.

Anything subject that attracts 200k+ supporters is usually populist nonsense. The public are notoriously wrong in such 'band wagon' matters. The hospital behaved as they should as did the police. The only person that needs consideration is the boy. He clearly has idiots for parents. They could have resolved matters sensibly instead of removing him from care. They are better off in prison.

The proton beam treatment is what the parents want despite it being against the clinical opinion of the doctors. You have to ask why. The proton beam treatment is non invasive and would not require a blood transfusion which is against the parents' wishes as they are Jehovah Witnesses. Maybe some thought should be given to the possibility that the parents are putting their religion before the clinical care of their child.

If the 'hospital experts' haven't properly comunicated with the parents and the parents read/heard about the Proton Beam method of treatment, then it may be, that the parents believed more in the latter than the former.

But the UK hospital didn't 'do that method', so how the hell can they support another treatment method, which they don't do and aren'tfamiliar with?

Tip: If you don't 100% believe what your health professional is telling you, particularly if he is going to earn a fee from your treatment, then DO NOT EVER BE AFRAID TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I've changed consultants about three times and, including dentistry, my wife has changed her health professional about five times.

For me, I'm talking, for example, heart artery treatment for atheroma. I chose to use Ultrasound to have the atheroma blasted off. That was 20 years ago. I don't have a stent in any coronary arteries. The first consultant had never even heard of it.

As an example for my wife, she was going to go ahead with one method of treatment for a problematical varicose vein on her leg - and then found a NEW much more technically superior method. Obviously, this required a change of consultant.

Haystack, I do not agree with your comment about the hospital behaving as they should. Clearly they made a gross error of judgment, possibly based on the hospital's own limited resources for treatment or on a particular senior consultant's limited area of expertise (and hence bias).

It will be interesting to see what the Judge decides about treatment for Ayash. Which method will he choose? Will it be the Proton Beam or back to the original hospital?

The NHS does pay for the therapy.

The NHS refers some patients to the US or Switzerland for treatment - 122 in 2013, 99 of them children. Patients are assessed by a panel of experts, who look at the tumour type, position, severity and so on.

The parents just wanted to go against advice.

Dr Yen-Ching Chang, the lead on proton beam therapy at University College London Hospital, has told the BBC she believes UK patients with the highest needs probably have one of the most comprehensive levels of access to proton beam therapy in Europe.

"The parents just wanted to go against advice."

No. They did not. That is not the right way to say it.

The parents did not want to go with the hospital's advice. They had heard of another method of treatment, namely the Proton Beam method.

The hospital could not do this. How on earth could they talk about Proton Beam treatment (or even recommend it without shipping Ashya out to somewhere else) and of course, treatment was required urgently.

It sounds like someone at Southampton hospital developed a God complex.

Instead of exploring the alternatives, simply fobbed the parents off, forcing them into taking action that tptb didn't like.

Hence the heavy handed response by the hospital, police, social workers et al.


I wouldn't be surprised if there were money considerations at the back of all this.

That's wrong. The proton beam therapy was available for UK patients. It was decided that it was unsuitable.

Yeah. We can't treat Ashya here at Southampton with Proton Beam therapy (because we don't have one) so of all the method savailable (here) it isn't a suitable alternative for us to choose from.

Therefore, we cannot, will not and do not recommend Proton Beam treatment.

I agree with Haysyack

Returned from France a few days ago. The weather was the worsted I can remember in August for many years.

If this is the best the EU can offer I am voting to leave it.

But did notice the unbiased posting of Hazy one.

“Haystack 02 Sep 2014 14:08 - 45397 of 45426

They are Jehovah Witnesses. That alone tells you that the hospital were dealing with crazies.”
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I would suggest that somebody may be developing religious paranoia.
From TV coverage, the parents and family, to me, seemed to be well mannered and socially adjusted and wanting to do the best for their child.

The fault would seem a due to a breakdown of communication and or the “prioritising” of funds and resources by the hospital and medical teams.

It would seem that hay’s opinion of the case and possibilities of treatment are not supported by other medical teams who have access to the “proton delivery systems”.

Hunt has now found funds to send personal advisor to evaluate situation.

The NHS under Tories is safe enough for Tories.

Well done the government by the CON party!


Interesting to note that more MPs are deserting the Cameron boat, like the good fellows (self-serving) they are!

But with a such a stern leader such as captain Marvel with his whip in hand I can understand why.

Go back to Rebecca and the hunt for Liam!

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They could have gone to another Hospital , thought you had the right of choice now . Did they get a second opinion if the treatment was suitable ?

Forgot!

For Exec.

The next leader of the Con party!

I suppose Captain Marvel with sergeant IDS will have to deflect attention by riding into battle as a "cheer leader" for another "war".

Iv'e seen two reports now of illicit cigarettes being found in shops . The contents contain rat droppings , rat poison , human waste , blood . It stated in one report Immigration were involved.

Victim,

Have a look at the content of dry spices and the foreign body tolerance before you eat another curry.

I'll just go back a few years to when at a local village Chinese Takeaway , the contents of a recipe were analysed and found to contain seven different male semen . I think they closed it down.