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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

cynic - 04 Sep 2014 11:40 - 45462 of 81564

is gaza an internationally recognised independent state?
i think not

Haystack - 04 Sep 2014 11:55 - 45463 of 81564

So it is fine to restrict their fisherman to a tiny area so theybIsrael can take the offshore gasd.

Actually Gaza is an internationally recognised state as it is Palestine.

MaxK - 04 Sep 2014 11:56 - 45464 of 81564

If they had simply nicked the gas, why are they buying it?

Haystack - 04 Sep 2014 11:59 - 45465 of 81564

In US legal parlance, the term "Country" is used for any political entity known as a nation.[1] The US granted a request from the Palestinian National Authority for recognition of the West Bank and Gaza as a Country in view of developments including the Israeli-PLO Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements. In a letter dated 13 January 1997, the Department of State advised the other agencies of the Executive branch that it considered the West Bank and the Gaza Strip to be one area for political, economic, legal and other purposes.

Additionally, on 17 December 2012, UN Chief of Protocol Yeocheol Yoon decided that "the designation of "State of Palestine" shall be used by the Secretariat in all official United Nations documents",[13] recognising the "State of Palestine" as the official name of the Palestinian nation

As of 27 September 2013, 134 (69.4%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations have recognised the State of Palestine.

You can see at the start of this, that the area of Palestine includes Gaza

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine



Haystack - 04 Sep 2014 12:14 - 45466 of 81564

MaxK
Israel have stolen the gas and are selling to Jordan as well as using it themselves. They are also planning to steal the offshore oil as well. There looks like being oil under the West Bank. Of course, they will steal that as well.

It looks like Israel are buying the gas as they have given the exploration rights to BG (British Gas)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680

cynic - 04 Sep 2014 12:25 - 45467 of 81564

there is much about israel's present policy's that i deplore and worse, but this gas deal assuredly isn't one of them

Fred1new - 04 Sep 2014 12:25 - 45468 of 81564

Manuel,

Non-sequential argument as usual in your three of you previous postings.

You must try harder!

Haystack - 04 Sep 2014 12:30 - 45469 of 81564

So it is fine to give away Palestine's natural resources to British Gas and not compensate them. This means that in the very unlikely event of a two state solution Palestine will have lost much of their resources. Israel already steals water from the West Bank and rations the Palestinians while the illegal settlements have fountains. The oil and gas are just the latest saga of pillaging the rights and possessions of Palestinians.

Haystack - 04 Sep 2014 13:46 - 45470 of 81564

No interest rate rise today. Many economists forecasting no rate rise this year.

ECB has cut their rate today.

Fred1new - 04 Sep 2014 14:01 - 45471 of 81564

So the economy has recovered and is strong.


Should go down a bomb with the voting pensioners like Cynic.

Dave and George should keep on strutting.

goldfinger - 04 Sep 2014 14:53 - 45472 of 81564

Stealing Hays STEALING.......what do you call tax avoidance then????

No Flannel please.

goldfinger - 04 Sep 2014 14:53 - 45473 of 81564

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 3rd Sept - Con 33%, Lab 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 14%;

ExecLine - 04 Sep 2014 15:44 - 45474 of 81564

Q. "..what do you call tax avoidance then????"

A. Tax mitigation - is one answer.

Tax mitigation and tax avoidance are terms often used to describe tax planning.
They should not be confused with tax evasion which is against the law.

Tax planning, or mitigation is simply the application of UK tax law to minimise UK tax liabilities for taxpayers. It may be considered as getting the best possible deal available within the law.

For instance, my wife and I are currently involved in mitigating tax charges for Inheritance Tax on our estates.

Goldfinger:

If you were to die and are not married then under the IHT Rules, anything you leave in your estate after the first £325,000 will be taxed at 40% for IHT.

eg, Die and have £1m in your estate on death. Deduct £325,000 for IHT relief. This leaves £675,000. The IHT on £675,000 at 40% is £275,000

Now I suspect, that being a tycoon and all that, you might have, let's say, £3m or maybe even more. eg.

£3m less £325,000 = £2,675,000 x 40% = £1,070,000 Inheritance Tax to be paid.

Now is it a case of bollocks to your loved ones! Just let them get on with things and effing pay it! Or, have you made or are you making some plans?

eg.
1. Have you made a will?

2. Has your loved one also made a will?

3. Out of interest, as part of your will and the management of your wealth (and estate), have you done any tax mitigation planning to reduce the IHT on your wealth or estate?

goldfinger - 04 Sep 2014 16:10 - 45475 of 81564

Exec I have lot more than that, many multiples.

But I was put on this planet poor with poor parents, but good parents who taught me wrong from right.

I will ALWAYS pay the tax that I am supposed to pay under present government policy.

I couldnt be further from the CHEATING Gary Barlows SCUM of this so called celebrity culture we have here in Britain.

As for my fortune when I die as Ive pointed out here many times, my son will get just one property(he as to learn to stand on his own 2 feet) the rest a pretty big fortune will go to Enterprise and Development sources who I will instruct to invest in the future development of our young people especially in Business Enterprise.

cynic - 04 Sep 2014 16:22 - 45476 of 81564

oh dear, oh dear, oh dear ..... round and round and round we go ..... next we'll be hearing about how it is immoral for companies as well as individuals to mitigate (legally) their tax liabilites

goldfinger - 04 Sep 2014 16:30 - 45477 of 81564

Not bothered about companys, its individuals like you cheating I detest.

It only means everyone else has to cover YOUR shortfall.

Barlow now that he as been caught is protesting his innocence, if he hadnt been caught we'd have heard nothing from him.

His OBE should be taken from him, Id even sling him in prison that would stop him from at least singing and talking wet on that x factor.

cynic - 04 Sep 2014 16:34 - 45478 of 81564

you might care to withdraw that personal slur against me
a) you have no reason whatsoever to make it and b) it is totally and utterly unfounded

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btw, how and why do you differentiate between companies avoiding or mitigating their tax liabilities and individuals, who of course may be perfectly legitimately be set up inside a company anyway, doing exactly the same?

goldfinger - 04 Sep 2014 16:35 - 45479 of 81564

Breaking news............

Women be-headed in London on the street in view of everyone.

Man arrested.

More to come.

goldfinger - 04 Sep 2014 16:38 - 45480 of 81564

NO WAY you posted this.........

as well as individuals to mitigate (legally) their tax liabilites..........ends.

Like I have always said the less you pay the more someone else has to pick up your part of the tab that you have avoided.

And as for legaly, even Camoron said yesterday the tax avoidance schemes and manipulation are a THING OF THE PAST.

goldfinger - 04 Sep 2014 16:42 - 45481 of 81564

London 'beheading': Woman slaughtered by 'man with machete' in back garden of house in Edmonton

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-found-stabbed-to-death-at-house-in-north-london-after-man-goes-on-the-loose-with-machete-9711800.html
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