Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

you might care to withdraw that personal slur against me
a) you have no reason whatsoever to make it and b) it is totally and utterly unfounded

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btw, how and why do you differentiate between companies avoiding or mitigating their tax liabilities and individuals, who of course may be perfectly legitimately be set up inside a company anyway, doing exactly the same?

Breaking news............

Women be-headed in London on the street in view of everyone.

Man arrested.

More to come.

NO WAY you posted this.........

as well as individuals to mitigate (legally) their tax liabilites..........ends.

Like I have always said the less you pay the more someone else has to pick up your part of the tab that you have avoided.

And as for legaly, even Camoron said yesterday the tax avoidance schemes and manipulation are a THING OF THE PAST.

London 'beheading': Woman slaughtered by 'man with machete' in back garden of house in Edmonton

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/woman-found-stabbed-to-death-at-house-in-north-london-after-man-goes-on-the-loose-with-machete-9711800.html

you're contradicting yourself completely

i have not come anywhere close to EVADING tax liabilites .... in fact, i have not done nearly as much as i easily could to mitigate my IHT liabilities

you say that you have taken sensible and significant IHT avoidance measures of your own

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the beheading story is reported in full on BBC news

I didnt say Evading, I said Avoiding.

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE I SET FRED AND TANKER ON YOU.

Just remember the cock up you made 2 months ago refering to a tribunal.

What a twit you looked.

have you been on the bottle again, or is it just that log you carry on your shoulder coming to the fore?

45482 - there is no question that you are attacking me personally for any perfectly legitimate (very simple actually) tax mitigation action i might have taken

almost in the same breath, you then say that you have taken very significant measures of your own

finally, you try to differentiate without any logic or support at all between companies avoiding tax (perfectly fair you reckon) and individuals (except you of course) doing the same

Cynic.......

whatever ...... i rarely actually get cross with you; it's just that you're sometimes an even great knobhead than me

Impossible.

Impossible.

GF

Since you are the one making all the definitions as to what exactly cheating is:

Is it cheating to drink tea?

Is it cheating to drink coffee?

I mean, like, I'm not sure with you, mate, since anything and everything is "cheating" if you want it to be.

Of course, there is also 'tax mitigation' and 'excessive tax mitigation'.

Now it just might be, that what you want to say is, that if it is 'excessive' tax mitigation or avoidance, then it's cheating and/or immoral. If it isn't excessive, then it isn't cheating or immoral.

Is this what you mean?

Exec,

I think the basis for disagreement in the argument is the difference between legality and morality the former in general is definable. but the latter is more open to question.

Also. another problem is whether you consider personal gain or society's gain as a goal and again, whether you think personal gain adds to society gain which can be reflected back on oneself.

But again what is gain?

Is it personal, or social, especially when the individual often hides behind the advantages of society when it suits them!

Back to the board, I am on a winning streak.

Couldnt have put it better myself Fred.

Its a very simple concept........

What you have to remember Exec every penny you avoid in tax some other poor sod somewhere else is having to pay for your shortfall.

Now if thats the kind of society you want fair enough, I dont.

So sorry I avoided all that tax, tweets Gary: (Oh, and by the way fans, I'm just bringing a new album out)

Barlow left Twitter after his account was hacked in and a deeply offensive message was posted about his stillborn child
Hackers targeted him following news he'd invested in tax avoidance scheme
But Barlow, who hasn't posted on his account since May, has returned
He vowed to fans he'd 'settle things with all parties involved ASAP'
Barlow and bandmates Howard Donald, Mark Owen, and their manager Jonathan Wild, poured £66million into Icebreaker Management

By ALASDAIR GLENNIE FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 21:34, 2 September 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741199/Take-That-star-Gary-Barlow-takes-Twitter-apologises-tax-stories-earlier-year-vows-settle-things.html

Last night, MPs welcomed the apology, but said it should have come sooner and questioned whether he would now pay back the tax he managed to avoid through the Icebreaker scheme.
Tory MP Charlie Elphicke said: ‘There is no free pass for people who abuse our tax system. Increasingly they will be found out, have to pay their fair share and risk public anger to boot. It’s welcome to see Gary Barlow putting his hand up.
'But he could have held it up a little higher and sooner than he has.’
Labour MP John Mann added: ‘We all look forward to him confirming that he will pay back all the tax that he avoided.’


Many of Barlow’s fans reacted positively to his statement, with one saying: ‘You’re only human and we all make mistakes.’
But others questioned the timing of his apology. One said it was ‘hollow’ and ‘non-committal’, adding: ‘Only sorry coz [sic] he was named and shamed. Timing is to drum up interest for upcoming album. Cynical.’ Another added: ‘I wasn’t offended by the stories, I was offended by you not paying tax, Gary. Because I have a moral compass.’
Barlow’s investment in Icebreaker was first revealed in 2012. This year, a tax judge decided it was ‘known and understood by all concerned to be a tax avoidance scheme’.
It allowed the Take That members to avoid tax on around £63million made through world tours and CD sales.
There is no suggestion that the other band members, Jason Orange and Robbie Williams, invested in the Icebreaker schemes.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741199/Take-That-star-Gary-Barlow-takes-Twitter-apologises-tax-stories-earlier-year-vows-settle-things.html#ixzz3CNH2gJNp
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Ashya King: Hampshire Police refuse to name officer behind arrest warrant


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ashya-king-hampshire-police-refuse-to-name-officer-behind-arrest-warrant-9711691.html


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