Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

whatever ...... i rarely actually get cross with you; it's just that you're sometimes an even great knobhead than me

Impossible.

Impossible.

GF

Since you are the one making all the definitions as to what exactly cheating is:

Is it cheating to drink tea?

Is it cheating to drink coffee?

I mean, like, I'm not sure with you, mate, since anything and everything is "cheating" if you want it to be.

Of course, there is also 'tax mitigation' and 'excessive tax mitigation'.

Now it just might be, that what you want to say is, that if it is 'excessive' tax mitigation or avoidance, then it's cheating and/or immoral. If it isn't excessive, then it isn't cheating or immoral.

Is this what you mean?

Exec,

I think the basis for disagreement in the argument is the difference between legality and morality the former in general is definable. but the latter is more open to question.

Also. another problem is whether you consider personal gain or society's gain as a goal and again, whether you think personal gain adds to society gain which can be reflected back on oneself.

But again what is gain?

Is it personal, or social, especially when the individual often hides behind the advantages of society when it suits them!

Back to the board, I am on a winning streak.

Couldnt have put it better myself Fred.

Its a very simple concept........

What you have to remember Exec every penny you avoid in tax some other poor sod somewhere else is having to pay for your shortfall.

Now if thats the kind of society you want fair enough, I dont.

So sorry I avoided all that tax, tweets Gary: (Oh, and by the way fans, I'm just bringing a new album out)

Barlow left Twitter after his account was hacked in and a deeply offensive message was posted about his stillborn child
Hackers targeted him following news he'd invested in tax avoidance scheme
But Barlow, who hasn't posted on his account since May, has returned
He vowed to fans he'd 'settle things with all parties involved ASAP'
Barlow and bandmates Howard Donald, Mark Owen, and their manager Jonathan Wild, poured £66million into Icebreaker Management

By ALASDAIR GLENNIE FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 21:34, 2 September 2014

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741199/Take-That-star-Gary-Barlow-takes-Twitter-apologises-tax-stories-earlier-year-vows-settle-things.html

Last night, MPs welcomed the apology, but said it should have come sooner and questioned whether he would now pay back the tax he managed to avoid through the Icebreaker scheme.
Tory MP Charlie Elphicke said: ‘There is no free pass for people who abuse our tax system. Increasingly they will be found out, have to pay their fair share and risk public anger to boot. It’s welcome to see Gary Barlow putting his hand up.
'But he could have held it up a little higher and sooner than he has.’
Labour MP John Mann added: ‘We all look forward to him confirming that he will pay back all the tax that he avoided.’


Many of Barlow’s fans reacted positively to his statement, with one saying: ‘You’re only human and we all make mistakes.’
But others questioned the timing of his apology. One said it was ‘hollow’ and ‘non-committal’, adding: ‘Only sorry coz [sic] he was named and shamed. Timing is to drum up interest for upcoming album. Cynical.’ Another added: ‘I wasn’t offended by the stories, I was offended by you not paying tax, Gary. Because I have a moral compass.’
Barlow’s investment in Icebreaker was first revealed in 2012. This year, a tax judge decided it was ‘known and understood by all concerned to be a tax avoidance scheme’.
It allowed the Take That members to avoid tax on around £63million made through world tours and CD sales.
There is no suggestion that the other band members, Jason Orange and Robbie Williams, invested in the Icebreaker schemes.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741199/Take-That-star-Gary-Barlow-takes-Twitter-apologises-tax-stories-earlier-year-vows-settle-things.html#ixzz3CNH2gJNp
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Ashya King: Hampshire Police refuse to name officer behind arrest warrant


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ashya-king-hampshire-police-refuse-to-name-officer-behind-arrest-warrant-9711691.html


surprise surprise

helo helo helo.

Clare Campbell ‏ Sep 4
#indyref

Sorry, but I must ask, how long is their winter?

Fishfinger,

Maybe you should remind Clare that, to get that great quality of life, she'll be paying some of the highest taxes on the planet, that her winters are some of the most miserable on the planet, that the Swedes are just about the sickest race on the planet, and that Sweden has a higher immigration problem than the UK. 15% of Swedish residents are foreign nationals, and, in some suburbs, up to 80% are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants - that's what the high taxation is paying to support. And here's a picture of the great life that Swedes living in Stockholm get to enjoy:



But I'm sure Tanker would like it there.

Blockade Calais, mayor urges townsfolk as anger rises at migrant crisis

Lack of food and shelter fuels ever more desperate attempts to reach UK and sparks call for Cameron to act



Alexandra Topping in Calais


The Guardian, Thursday 4 September 2014 19.59 BST



http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/04/migrants-calais-desperate-attempts-reach-britain

Hairy one, are you an emigrant?

Has this CALAIS stuff just taken off again , or is it just the Press picking up on it again. I think those Afgans in the container may be the reason . They should have gone straight back , but have applied for Asylum, sounds harsh but this is going to get very bad.

Something for you to look forward to when you return to the UK!

I thought Sweden they had one of the highest suicide rates in Europe ?