Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Why not have better educated people running the country?

Hays if big hitters as I have posted above are saying he will go......HE WILL GO.

I even think he as being admitting this on the quiet himself.

Just think how it will go down in History.

He and his family will be disgraced as will the QUEEN. (think about it)

Better educated people LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Rachel Reeves is the highest educated person in parliament. Everyone knows that.

Even Gideon Osbourne claims IDS is THICK.

The QUEEN insiders say is, seething at the moment. She blames Camoron and a light weight cabinet for the present state of affairs.

It’s time to debunk a few common myths about the Labour Party



The Vox Political Facebook page has become a lively place over the last couple of days – mainly because of the presence of misinformed people purveying hand-me-down myths about Labour Party policies, accompanied by the odd troll who wants to cause mischief by supporting those beliefs, even though they know them to be false.

This makes it a frustrating place for Yr Obdt Srvt, who has had to respond to every other comment with a rehash of explanations provided to other people on other comment threads. It’s like trying to have a conversation in which you have to repeat yourself after every couple of sentences because you’re talking to people who keep coming out with the same – disproved – claims.

Clearly it is time to provide these people with a common point of reference, to which they may refer – it won’t shut up the trolls but at least they’ll look stupid if they’ve been given an answer and still carry on.

So! Let’s have a look at some of these claims.

1. “Labour voted to support the Bedroom Tax and it is hypocritical of them to oppose it now.”

Labour never – categorically NEVER – voted for the Bedroom Tax.

The entire Parliamentary Labour Party (barring possibly any who were ill or had some other reasonable excuse not to be present) voted against the Welfare Reform Act (which contains Bedroom Tax legislation) when it was pushed through Parliament in February 2012. Look up Hansard debates, February 21, where MPs’ speeches, and the way they voted, are reported verbatim.

Since then, the party’s campaigning against the Bedroom Tax has been constant.

If you have been making this claim, you stand corrected.

Do not come to this blog or the Vox Political Facebook page repeating that claim again.

In addition, you should now take responsibility for preventing other people from spreading that falsehood. If you spot anyone doing so, you just make sure they know the facts – along with everyone they’ve been misinforming.

2. “Labour has committed itself to following Coalition spending plans and is therefore no different from the Conservatives.”

The Tory spending limits myth is another one that has to be challenged at every turn because a lot of people misunderstand it.

Firstly, just because Labour has committed itself to keeping the same limit on its spending as the Tories, for one year only, does not mean that Labour will spend the money in exactly the same way!

Too many people make this assumption when there is absolutely no basis for it in fact – including some newspapers, it is sad to report. They got it wrong.

Secondly, government spending for the first year is tied down, to a certain extent, by commitments made by the previous administration. Once those are out of the way, it leaves the board clear for the new government to be as bold as it wants.

And, as the New Statesman has pointed out: “It is worth noting that Labour’s room for manoeuvre is greater than it might appear.

“First, the party’s pledge to match the coalition’s spending totals in 2015/16 does not mean that it has to spend each budget in the same way. In education, for instance, it could devote less funding to free schools and more to schools in areas where demand is greatest.

“Second, the commitment to match planned government spending only applies to the first year of the next parliament: the party is free to outspend the coalition after that and to make greater use of tax rises to reduce borrowing.

“Third, while promising to eliminate the current account deficit, Labour (unlike the Tories) has not pledged to eradicate the total deficit, leaving room to borrow to fund capital projects such as housing and transport infrastructure (provided that the rate of spending growth is slower than the growth in GDP it will still be able to meet its promise to reduce the national debt).”

3. “Ed Miliband is a closet Tory because he has said he wants to govern like Margaret Thatcher.”

Some people seem determined to shoehorn this statement into a belief that Miliband was confessing that he is a Conservative.

He was talking about Margaret Thatcher’s style of leadership, not her political beliefs - Thatcher led from the front, telling her cabinet what she wanted done and expecting them to do it. In contrast, for example, Johon Major was a consensus leader who discussed big decisions with the other members of his cabinet in order to find out their opinions before making a decision.

Now, you might have an opinion on which of those styles is the best, but you won’t even be able to start forming a judgement if you’re unable to recognise what it really is!

4. “We cannot trust New Labour, the party of Tony Blair and his brand of neoliberalism.”

New Labour ended in 2010.

Go to a search engine and type in ‘Ed Miliband new labour dead’ or something similar. The relevant articles are dated around September 26. New Labour was a neoliberal mistake.

New Labour made too many errors – it was a silly experiment to take Labour down the same neoliberal cul-de-sac as Thatcherite Tories. This is why the current leadership has turned its back on the whole project.

Yr Obdt Srvt joined Labour to help turn the party back into what it should be. Yes, there are still New Labour hangers-on, but Vox Political does its bit to expose them for what they are on the blog (as you’ll know, if you’re a regular reader).

We’re not all Red Tory propagandists, you know!

5. “Labour has not opposed any of the Coalition cuts to services or social security. Labour has supported them.”

This misconception seems to have grown from the fact that the Coalition has been able to push through all of the changes it wanted, no matter how damaging – and arises from a misunderstanding of the way Parliament works.

While the Coalition has a majority, it doesn’t matter what Labour does in Parliament - the Coalition will always win the vote.

In fact, Labour has opposed every single cut inflicted on the UK by the Coalition, except in one case where the party abstained in order to win concessions.

Labour MPs and activists have campaigned ceaselessly against the cuts that have led to many thousands of deaths, speaking out in the Commons Chamber, in newspapers, at demonstrations, rallies and public events. They have made it perfectly clear that they intend to hold the Coalition to account.

Claims that Labour “sat idle” for the last four years are dangerous nonsense as some people may believe them without checking the facts for themselves.

Labour INTRODUCED the bedroom tax from private tenants They now complain because the government extended it to all housing.

And Labour have no policies.

Rachel Reeves has the same degree as Cameron (he got a first).

Labour don't want Cameron and Osborne to stand down before the next elections?

Why should they when the pair are playing winning hand for them.

It would be like giving up your best ally because you don't like him.

I say Cameron and Osborne should press on.

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I suppose, there is always Boris to replace them!

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In hope, the Hairy one might vote for him

It is possible for the referendum to choose to leave the UK and parliament to vote against it. The referendum is an elaborate opinion poll. The actual dissolution of the union requires a law to be passed.

But I do note that Osborne and Cameron are offering concessions to the peasants and colonies if they don't revolt!

If you were a Scot would you trust this pair or the con party on past experience.

Hayz,

Probably , he was crammed.

Was it his own work or that of a hireling?

Perhaps,, some of the habits of his Bullingdon days and nights have effect him!

If Cameron's able to get rid of the jocks, he deserves a knighthood. Bring on the sheepshaggers next...

Hazy one,

By-the-way is Boris the con party's Berlusconi and are there others ready and waiting to fill his ----?

Stuff the scots/nats don't want you to know, and you wont find it in the mainstream media either (or dumbed down)



Scottish Budget Deficit

The Scottish economy runs at a huge deficit that is only maintainable due to being heavily subsidised by England. The country's total income for 2012-13 was £47.6 billion against expenditure of £65 billion, therefore a net deficit of more than £17 billion (Source: Scotland.gov.uk), therefore taking into account extra oil revenue of £5 billion this puts an Independent Scotland short by £12 billion per year, but this is BEFORE Scotland's share of the national debt of £120 billion and resulting annual interest payments of at least £4 billion are taken into account as well as its banks liabilities resulting in an annual black hole of at least £16 billion per year or 10% of GDP, against 5.8% for the UK.



More very uncomfortable stuff here: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article47228.html

what would you like explaining about 45550?

Hazy,

Haystack Send an email to Haystack View Haystack's profile - 07 Sep 2014 13:16 - 45565 of 45580

Why not have better educated people running the country?


There is a difference between better educated and being more intelligent.

As can be seen from yourself and the results of present U-turning bunch of failed PR merchants in the present government.

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You can read a book, reproduce much of verbiage, but show little understanding of the real meaning of its content.

Hi Cyners, you are the expert on chemicals/oil etc etc your company dealing in it, but what about link below? I thought liquid could now under new technologies be transported as a mass???. Your thoughts please.

http://www.shareprophets.advfn.com/views/7517/encouraging-bump-in-the-baltic-drys..............

HAYS do us all a favour and get your facts right. Especially the one Reeves V Camoron, do you really want me to prove you wrong???. Have you forgotten Reeves stay at the London School Of Economics or are you just playing dumb.

Cameron yes did get a first class BA and then MA but Reeves got a first MSC at the London School Of Economics rated second only to Harold Wilson in exam results.