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The really useful silver thread (AG)     

squirrel888 - 12 Jun 2013 10:30

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gazkaz - 24 Jul 2013 16:46 - 456 of 1034

This really - just sums up - the sentiments of, around the whole 50 people in the pub last night....

gazkaz - 24 Jul 2013 17:21 - 457 of 1034

Snurkle - IMO the holter tin hat, bunker style scenario is a given - it's just the when, no question of an..if.

Just, and I mean only, looking at...that piece I wrote about derivatives is mind boggling...when the derivative gross exposure is put in context of
- the whole world GDP & whole world assets
( not so much an 800 pound gorilla in the room, ...more a city filled with 800lb gorillas)

Add in that - they are considering starting with a move to have - repos liabilities shown as gross and not netted off.
- Plus the article re the B of E/FDIC sucking everything in - to be covered by the ...Cyprus template style bail-in
- and added to that - the FSB updates on advice to the G20 and progress re...
- cross border application of the template to...international too big to fails, markets, insurance Co's, brokers & intermediaries etc
- then I think that... they are putting everything in place....and lining up the ducks.

As to your comment - maybe " this was the plan all along"
- if you look up the Aaron Russo interview with Alex Jones
- then you are left in no doubt ....courtessy of David Rockerchappie befriending and effectively trying to recruit/convert Russo; that
- TPTB/Dynasty families have a ....rolling 40/50yr inter generational... plan of objectives.

Sharas link to the documentary "state of mind" - details the access TPTB have to some of the greatest minds via their funded universities, tax free foundations and their, shall we say, specialists and associated organisations.

Every permutation possible is considered, for any, and all, levers TPTB pull....nothing is left to ...chance.

As proof of just one small aspect - Jim Rickards confirms he took part in
- thePentagoons .....currency war games excercise.
(now in play of course)

Everything is planned... to the finest detail (even the cover stories to be run thro' their MSM).

Iceland, Ireland, Greece, Cyprus - were just try out tests of their theories... into practice.

So we await
- the lining up of the ducks & dominoes, and them putting the finishes touches of dotting the i's and crossing the t's
- at which time
- they press the big red button...and start pulling the levers.

Saturn6 - 24 Jul 2013 19:37 - 458 of 1034

Cut straight through the supposed neckline ;-/ ...

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Trying to bouncer from the first |Fib line.

Look for the 50/DMA to hold or the 10/DMA and a potential back-test of the 'wedge'...

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With Max pain on the miners at 24.50 for August I suppose we cant hope for much to happen till expiry date on the 16th August?/...

http://www.optionpain.com/OptionPain/Option-Pain.php

S.

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 09:19 - 459 of 1034

Just a couple of pointers,
- for when the official sunshine blowing - official stats are
sunshined around in the MSM

- 1/3 (one third) of the ...total... unemployed in Euroland...are Spanish

And as I highlighted recently
- Add in the gov't has just "wonga loaned" for the second time.. this month
- from ...it's pension & welfare fund
- which is itself - app 98% invested in.....Spanish ..gov't bonds
(Unpleasant propect...given risk of ...Greek style sov bond haircut)

- So that's a .....Big domino wobbling in the - world of dominoes


- 101 MILLION Americans
(getting on for 1 in 3)
- are on some form of ....gov't food nutritional support programme
(predominantly..food stamps... etc)

(source USDA.gov june 13 report)

From memory that...exceeds...the number of ..full time employed US workers !!!

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 09:42 - 460 of 1034

Detroit
- is really a microcosm city size view of what - will happen
- in western economies
(eg city employee pensioners to lose say up to 90% of their pensions)

The pension nightmare that is at the heart of the horrific financial crisis in Detroit is just the tip of the iceberg
- of the coming retirement crisis
- that will shake America to the core.

Right now, more than 10,000 Baby Boomers are hitting the age of 65
- every - single - day,
(and this will continue to happen... every single day... until
- the year 2030.

TPTB & puppet Gov'ts
- have made trillions of dollars of financial promises to these Baby Boomers, and...
- there is no way... that we are going to be able to keep those promises.
- The money simply is not there.
Yes, I suppose that we could eventually see a “super devaluation” of the U.S. dollar and keep our promises to the Baby Boomers..... using currency that is not worth much more than Monopoly money,

- But as it stands right now we simply do not have the resources to do.... what we said that we were going to do.
- The number of senior citizens in the United States is projected.... to more than double....... by the middle of the century,
- and it would have been nearly impossible to support them all..... even if ....we weren’t in the midst of a long-term economic decline.

Tens of millions of Americans that are eagerly looking forward to retirement
- are going to be in for a very rude awakening in the years ahead.
- There is going to be.... a lot of heartache and..... a lot of broken promises.

(yes the joy of - jam tomorrow - so pay your taxes today - and we will take care of you tomorrow....being swallowed by the sheeple ...again & again)

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 09:59 - 461 of 1034

Sahara - technical trader Gary Savage, publisher of the Smart Money Tracker

General gist of his thoughts

We [now] have confirmation that June 28th was indeed an intermediate cycle low and a yearly cycle low.
- I think this yearly cycle low is not going to get violated for the rest of the bull market
- and I think we are starting either another C wave advance or this is the bubble phase.
- Each one of these C waves is getting bigger and bigger.
- The last one I think did 170% from the D wave bottom to the C wave top.
- This one should be bigger
- and especially considering that in my opinion we had some manipulation in the market.

So an artificial move down should make the move up that much more aggressive and go that much further.
- So if the last one did 170% and the miners did a little over 300%, this one should be bigger.
- We’re probably going to see 200% or more in gold
- and 400% or 500% in the miners if this is a C wave.
- If this is a bubble phase, then we’re probably going to see 300% to 400% from the bottom [in gold] at $1179 to the bubble top.

http://bullmarketthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/7232013savage.mp3

I think the proof of the pudding he suggested

“When assets enter a bubble phase, what tends to happen is the market quickly recognizes that it was positioned wrongly and you get a lot of shorts that have to cover and so it just never pulls back. It just goes right back up to the old highs very quickly, races through them, and then the sentiment reverses to where everybody starts to chase and then the bubble phase unfolds.

So it depends on whether this is the beginning of the bubble phase or whether this is just going to be another C wave advance.

If gold goes back and tests those $1900 all-time highs very quickly in the next three, four months, by November,
- let’s say, if that happens,
- then.. I would say the odds are probably pretty good ...we are entering the bubble phase.”

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 10:07 - 462 of 1034

Quite frank for a US Former Assistant Treasury Secretary

Paul Craig Roberts says,

“The country is not being run by the President.
- It is being run by spy agencies and private interest groups,
- Wall Street and military security complex . . .They run the country.

- The President is a puppet, a figurehead.”

Dr. Roberts contends,
“If you are a lawless state, which the United States is, it obeys no international law. It does not obey the Geneva Convention . . . It tortures people. It doesn’t obey the Constitution. It doesn’t obey anything. It does what it wants. . . . If you are a lawless state, you disguise yourself as a democracy.”

Former President Jimmy Carter agrees.
- Just last week, Carter said,

“The U.S. has no functioning democracy at this moment.”

Why hasn’t the mainstream media picked up this astounding comment from a former Democratic President...?
- Dr. Roberts says,
- “Five firms .........now own..... what used to be .......a large dispersed independent media.
- Nobody can open their mouth, .....they’d get fired.
- They have become a propaganda ministry for government and corporations.”

Dr. Roberts goes on to say,
“My prediction or expectation is by winter,
- the second downturn of the Great Recession... will be in place.
- Unemployment will explode,
- more foreclosures are coming.

It’s going to be worse than the Great Depression.”


Full interview





Some excellent insights too ....into what happens when ...presidents

- buck ....their controllers

- and .....a lot more

One of the - don't miss it ...ones

.

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 10:13 - 463 of 1034

Metals option expiry...today

Saturn6 - 25 Jul 2013 11:26 - 464 of 1034

Thanks Gaz - I had seen the Silver Bear Vid yesterday and read the article by Gary Savage. But nice to see you are there too ;))

7/7 Attack!... But by Whom?...

Note how there is the usual timely bomb drill and how the BBC will/is to be used as a propaganda outlet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwyzpzEgUWE&list=FLIJJ73tXXLsUM4AkyexI8lA

S.

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 14:23 - 465 of 1034

Cheers Sahara - Added that to my post grass... list
(update - that;s watch it after I have cut the grass with a lawnmower :o)

This is the very best & most concise version I have seen - the freefall building.
(& I have seen a lot on this subject)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

Handy short one too..re any deniers etc
- hat tip to BHG for the link

Saturn6 - 25 Jul 2013 15:42 - 466 of 1034

Good idea Gaz - I like to watch videos like that in down-time instead of having my brain placed into an receptive Alapha sate by the patented flicker rate of LCD TV's so as to absorb all the subliminal programming of the satanic cult that rules us. ;-/

BTW have you noticed the commercials on mainstrem tv lately how childish they have all become, you really would think some of them are aimed at four year olds. Maybe there is a reason for that?...

http://www.ehow.com/about_5059398_tv-commercials-effects-children.html

S.

Saturn6 - 25 Jul 2013 16:01 - 467 of 1034

This rebound could run to the recent high...

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Or - Close the 'Gap'...

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Which would eerily plot a re-test of the breakoput...

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S.

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 16:15 - 468 of 1034

Sahara - That 1st para is impressive - says a hellevu lot in the fewest words possible.

My youngest son was around 5 and his favourite film of the era was the original "transformers movie". If he was colouring or even doing 5yr old maths (and my other son was watching it) - my youngest could whilst doing what he was doing -recite it word perfect, with accents and ...the emotion expressed in the words too.

I think it was Darren Brown - who had a down and out sat in a shopping centre with a begging bowl ...everyone just walked past.
- he then put some innocuous subliminal signage in the shop windows on the approach to the guy.
- nearly everyone gave him money...and from memory one passer by even offered him his trainers.

Amazing what our sub concious picks up. (with kids even more so - they have less already cluttering their sub concious I suppose)

For a time (if I remeber correctly) they slipped single frame subliminal ads in the trailers at the cinema
- when they banned them sales of coke and popcorn dropped significantly.

Looking forward to reading Prof Quigleys 1000 page epic - tragedy and hope
- when amazoon get a used copy over from the US
(new - were listed at.....£2/300 !!)
- been meaning to read it for years.

Many lectures & documentaries will be running in the background whilst I read that one :o)

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 16:17 - 469 of 1034

$26 would be good :o)

Saturn6 - 25 Jul 2013 16:58 - 470 of 1034

Gaz - Very interesting. I have used Derren Brown to explain to others how effective and powerful mind conditioning actually works on the unsuspecting, without their awareness. Usually after they have refuted what I say on the subject of mass programming as ridiculous. You can actually see the penny drop and the sudden awareness (wakefulness) and then a rapid change of subject, rather than debate the fact further.

This attitude that has occurred countless times when I try to engage others to the wider reality has made me realise that there is also the same powerful effective conditioning employed to refute, ignore or sidetrack such an attempt on someone to wake them up. REMARKABLE!!

Yes - $26 is also around the 50% Fib line.

Looks like a 'Bear Flag' on the intraday SLV chart which would be a shame as any weakness here would imply a failed break and a re-test of the lows, currently we have support at the $19.50 line, which I would like to see held.

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Look for a pincer action between the Blue 252 average and the uptrend support line.

S.

Saturn6 - 25 Jul 2013 17:11 - 471 of 1034

Time Bomb that would release an event of biblical proportions....


As the amount of Arctic sea ice declines
at an unprecedented rate
4,5
, the thawing of
offshore permafrost releases methane. A
50-gigatonne (Gt) reservoir of methane,
stored in the form of hydrates, exists on the
East Siberian Arctic Shelf. It is likely to be
emitted as the seabed warms, either steadily
over 50 years or suddenly
6
. Higher methane concentrations in the atmosphere will
accelerate global warming and hasten local
changes in the Arctic, speeding up sea-ice
retreat, reducing the reflection of solar
energy and accelerating the melting of the
Greenland ice sheet. The ramifications will
be felt far from the poles...

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v499/n7459/pdf/499401a.pdf

Study: Arctic Methane Release Could Cost Economy $60 Trillion

http://www.voanews.com/content/reu-study-indicates-methane-gas-release-could-cost-economy-up-to-60-trillion/1709431.html

Reminds me of words from scripture...

'Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and power was given to him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent and give Him glory.' (Revelation 16:8-9)

S.

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 19:39 - 472 of 1034

Sahara - re the methane angle
4 crediblish's (new word there) on BP Horizon job
- attempt to :-
- 1 - rupture the large methane reserve under the gulf sea bed
- dissolve the massive salt dome to the side of the riser (salt layers then run under the gulf coast).
The Louisiana massive and expanding collapsed salt cavern within a 2 mile area housing other salt caverns usedfor storing exiting things like...butane... may be connected to that one
- 2- and of course that's all around the end of the New Madrid fault that runs right up to the great lakes
- 3- last option kill off the livelihoods of the gulf area "bible belt" - and for good measure lather them with corexit
- 4 - Divert/disrupt the gulf stream &/or corexit poison the gulf stream escalator, which after heading towards the pristine arctic waters, heads back way down towards the equator

I suppose a 5th option could be - any and/or all the above

gazkaz - 25 Jul 2013 19:44 - 473 of 1034

ooor Wullie (Jim Willie) - stated in a recent interview

- heaven and earth were being moved on a daily basis to keep afloat
- Deutsche
- Barclays
- & Citi

Now Max Keier

Max Keiser

Max Keiser‏@maxkeiser24 Jul
Deutsche Bank is a huge German government slush fund (like JP Morgan in U.S.)
- where collapse of Portugal
- is about to trigger global crisis

And a bonus....

Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser
My Geneva fund contact:
- Deutsche Bank is officially on suicide watch.
DB will be the next ‘Lehman’ moment that triggers new collapse

https://twitter.com/maxkeiser/maxopocalypso


Saturn6 - 25 Jul 2013 19:52 - 474 of 1034

Gaz - phew!!

I suppose it quite fitting for the deeds of man in failing to tend and keep the garden he has been born into will turn out to be his downfall. The Bible makes clear that God is not pleased with man who abuses His creation.

Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it (Genesis 2:15).

God’s voice thunders in marvelous ways;
he does great things beyond our understanding.
6 He says to the snow, ‘Fall on the earth,’
and to the rain shower, ‘Be a mighty downpour.’
7 So that everyone he has made may know his work,
he stops all people from their labor.[a]
8 The animals take cover;
they remain in their dens.
9 The tempest comes out from its chamber,
the cold from the driving winds.
10 The breath of God produces ice,
and the broad waters become frozen.
11 He loads the clouds with moisture;
he scatters his lightning through them.
12 At his direction they swirl around
over the face of the whole earth
to do whatever he commands them.

13 He brings the clouds to punish people,
or to water his earth and show his love.

Job 37 5-13

S.

Saturn6 - 25 Jul 2013 20:14 - 475 of 1034

A new 'Bull Flag'...

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Although we need to bear in mind this scenario still...

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S.
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