Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Hays Hays Hays........

Published: September 8, 2014 6 comments
Lord Ashcroft: Labour’s lead climbs to seven points in my latest Ashcroft National Poll

Lord Ashcroft
By Lord Ashcroft.

Labour lead by seven points in the latest Ashcroft National Poll, conducted over the past weekend. The party is up two points since the last ANP at the beginning of August to 35 per cent; the Conservatives are down two at 28 per cent, and the other parties are unchanged: UKIP on 18 per cent, the Liberal Democrats on 8 per cent and the Greens on 6 per cent.

Post 45617,

Haze the Scots agree with you they should look up to their betters and do as they are told.

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If the separatists win the vote, I wonder if Cornwall, Wales and North of England will want self-government and then put up borders and separate from the UK and charge second house taxes on those outside their borders.

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Watch this space.

From the Parliament website

The Constitution Committee published its report in May 2014, calling for Members representing Scottish constituencies to stop sitting in the Commons from independence day. It made no recommendation on the role of these MPs in the interim, but it called for their status to be resolved before the 2015 general election.

There has been a range of reactions to the prospect of a Yes vote and its impact on Scottish MPs. Suggestions floated by MPs include:

postpone the 2015 general election if Scotland votes Yes
hold the election without Scottish constituencies
hold it but remove Scottish seats at the point of independence

New legislation would be needed to make any of these changes: the date of the next general election is fixed as 7 May 2015 by the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011. It would be difficult, but not impossible, to pass relevant legislation in the short period between September 2014 and the dissolution of the current Parliament at the end of March 2015

How many seats would the next Parliament have?

The Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Act 2011 allowed for a reduction in the number of MPs to from 650 to 600. The Parliamentary boundary review implementing this has been postponed until 2018, but legislation will be required to alter the rules if Scotland votes for independence. A simple removal of Scottish seats would reduce the present House of Commons by 59 seats to 591. However, the electoral quota used to determine the size of constituencies was previously calculated UK-wide: this would have to be recalculated without Scotland for the new review. Given that work on the next general review is due to start shortly after the general election of 2015 to meet the deadline of 2018, primary legislation would be needed as soon as possible after the referendum, if Scotland votes Yes.
General elections without Scotland

If MPs from Scottish constituencies elected in 2015 left the Commons mid-term in 2016, there would be an impact on the Government’s majority. A UK government elected in 2015 might even lose its majority as a result of Scottish MPs being removed. It is not certain what would happen in this case. The Government could change without an election, if it resigned and another party were asked to form a Government. Alternatively, the existing Government could attempt to carry on without an absolute majority. The Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 does not provide for an automatic general election if the Government loses its majority, but it does allow for an early election if a motion is passed in terms set out in the Act.

Currently, of the existing 59 Scottish seats, the Conservatives have one, Labour has 41 and the Liberal Democrats 11. If the 2010 election had taken place without Scotland, the Conservatives would have been the largest party with 305 Commons seats, a majority of nine.

Chris Carson....sorry, been busy all day....I'm thinking of a punt....but not sure which way....NO : 1.36.....not worth it....talking of tennis...anybody with a bet on the US open result....not sure who's going to win...

rf - Willi Hill offering 6/1 Rooney to score

Well...gone for England or draw and Marin Cilic.....will be a miracle if those two bets come right....not bad for Rooney !...put a tenner on Rooney anytime 3.5....

Nishikori is a very good player but Cilic doesn't half wack the ball hard....

Looks like a fail ... Wee-Eck will be doing his pieces.




Independence Referendum Result
Sunday 5th October 2014, 22:00



Against Independence (Fail)

2/5


For Independence (Pass)

15/8


http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/scottish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=451400

Read the comment's about Stephen Hawkins , these Jews are so full of hate and have radicalized views just like the Muslims there are fighting.

https://www.facebook.com/jewsnews?fref=nf

The views expressed on that Facebook site are clearly not representative of most Jews. It is a collection of comments by extremists.

a) over-simplified
b) of course the jews (israelis to be even more accurate) have a core of loonies
c) any way you want to cut it, ISIS is rabidly brutal with an outspoken agenda of wanting to dominate the world and impose sharia law throughout ..... judaism and even the most right wing of zionists do not seek similar

It has 1,200,322 likes

The abuse may not be on the grand scale ISIS wishes, but it still as severe to the individuals who suffer it and just as heinous.

The Facebook page has 1.2m likes because it has general Jewish news and a lot of sensible people post there. The Steven Hawking post has just 424 likes.

lot of sensible people post there

I couldn't find many

The site has become a lot more rabid in recent times. If you look back at 2013 you will find it more normal with some humour.

Looks pretty normal to me....

fred - not that i would expect any other type of comment from you, but suggest you talk to some of the guys who have been serving in afghanistan, iraq, libya and the like ...... pretty unlikely, but it may make you think


max - and what does the unhijacked koran actually say about tolerance, the education of women, modesty of dress etc?

Former chief rabbi of Israel says all we non-Jews are donkeys, created to serve Jews

“Non-Jews were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world-only to serve the People of Israel.”

A major Jewish religious figure in Israel has likened non-Jews to donkeys and beasts of burden, saying the main reason for their very existence is to serve Jews.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, spiritual mentor of the religious fundamentalist party, Shas, which represents Middle Eastern Jews, reportedly said during a Sabbath homily earlier this week that “the sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews.”

Yosef is considered a major religious leader in Israel who enjoys the allegiance of hundreds of thousands of followers.

Shas is a chief coalition partner in the current Israeli government,

Yosef, also a former Chief Rabbi of Israel, was quoted by the right-wing newspaper, the Jerusalem Post, as saying that the basic function of a goy, a derogatory word for a gentile, was to serve Jews.

“Non-Jews were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world-only to serve the People of Israel,”

Yosef said in his weekly Saturday night sermon which was devoted to laws regarding actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on the Sabbath.

Yosef also reportedly said that the lives of non-Jews in Israel are preserved by God in order to prevent losses to Jews.

Yosef, widely considered a prominent Torah sage and authority on the interpretation of Talmud, a basic Jewish scripture, held a comparison between animals of burden and non-Jews.

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them…With gentiles, it will be like any person-They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

“This is his servant…That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.”

Yosef further elucidated his ideas about the servitude of gentiles to Jews, asking

“why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap; and we will sit like an effendi and eat.”

“That is why gentiles were created.”

The concept of gentiles being infra-human beings or quasi-animals is well-established in Orthodox Judaism.

For example, rabbis affiliated with the Chabad movement, a supremacist but influential Jewish sect, teach openly that at the spiritual level, non-Jews have the status of animals.

Abraham Kook, the religious mentor of the settler movement, was quoted as saying that the difference between a Jew and a gentile was greater and deeper than the difference between humans and animals.

“The difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews — all of them in all different levels — is greater and deeper than the difference between a human soul and the souls of cattle.”

Some of Kook’s manifestly racist ideas are taught in the Talmudic college, Merkaz H’arav, in Jerusalem. The college is named after Kook.

In his book, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years, the late Israeli writer and intellectual Israel Shahak argued that whenever Orthodox rabbis use the word “human,” they normally didn’t refer to all humans, but only to Jews, since non-Jews are not considered humans according to Halacha of Jewish law.

A few years ago, a member of the Israeli Knesset, castigated Israeli soldiers for “treating human beings as if they were Arabs.” The Knesset member, Aryeh Eldad, was commenting on the evacuation by the Israeli army of a settler outpost in the West Bank.

Faced with the negative effect of certain Biblical and Talmudic teachings on inter-religious relations, some Christian leaders in Europe have called on the Jewish religious establishment to reform the traditional Halacha perceptions of non-Jews.

However, while the Reform and Conservative sects of Judaism, have related positively to such calls, most Orthodox Jews have totally rejected the calls, arguing that the Bible is God’s word which can’t be altered under any circumstances.

The Bible says that non-Jews living under Jewish rule must serve as “water carriers and wood hewers” for the master race.

c


The two loony sects sound very much alike.